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[Smallc]

I found this article

That says about 18% of US bound passengers, if you do the adjustments

[Boges]

I shouldn't have said most. The number is 18%

You said something without any factual evidence to support it? I'm completely shocked!

If you're going to Florida or Vegas it certainly cheaper to fly out of Buffalo but last week a small discount carrier out of Niagara Falls, New York suspended all travel because they couldn't pay their fuel bill leaving Canadians stranded during one of the busiest travel times of the year.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1145469--direct-air-discount-airline-suspends-service-stranding-travellers?bn=1

You often get what you pay for, but to many it's worth the risk.

I've never flown Westjet but I hear it's really good, If I ever flew inside Canada i'd use them, ditto with Porter out of the Downtown Toronto Island Airport.

Edited by Boges, 23 March 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[Jack Weber]

So baggage handlers went on a Wildcat strike today.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1150769--air-canada-ground-crews-stage-wildcat-strike-at-toronto-s-pearson-airport?bn=1

You know all these AC workers are looking for more money. How do the venture they'll get it when people stop flying AC because they don't trust that their flight will leave on time because of some sort of work action?

It would'nt have had anything to do with the Dominatrix of Managment...er...Minister of Labour rubbing salt in the wounds of those she harmed,would it?I'm a union guy,so,I would'nt advocate for a wildcat...But Ms.Raitt did'nt do herself,or any Air Canada patrons any favours today...

Edited by Jack Weber, 23 March 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Boges]

It would'nt have had anything to do with the Dominatrix of Managment...er...Minister of Labour rubbing salt in the wounds of those she harmed,would it?I'm a union guy,so,I would'nt advocate for a wildcat...But Ms.Raitt did'nt do herself,or any Air Canada patrons any favours today...

What did she do? This incident happened while she was walking through the airport and workers unprofessionally taunted her. They were disciplined, and all the workers walked off the job.

BTW Evening Star would be pissed off at you characterizing a federal minister as a dominatrix.

[Tilter]

It doesn't, but management is now reaping the results of its own greed. Why should the employees have any confidence in management that has made its primary objective filling its own pockets? They see the present situation as a continuation of a slide to the bottom. If management compensation is to be based on a bullshit parameter like EBITDA regardless of the bottom line, why shouldn't the employee's?


While I would have supported them if they had, I am so freaking glad neither of my kids wanted to follow their old man into aviation.

Wilber---- you have to admit that the feeling you get as the giant metal cigar lifts off or the pleasure it generates when you squeak it in, landing a 3,000 ton behemoth with an almost imperceptible bump gives a thrill unavailable in any other profession. I feel sorry for your kids.

[Wilber]

Wilber---- you have to admit that the feeling you get as the giant metal cigar lifts off or the pleasure it generates when you squeak it in, landing a 3,000 ton behemoth with an almost imperceptible bump gives a thrill unavailable in any other profession. I feel sorry for your kids.

Don't, they are quite happy with their own choices. A 300 ton behemoth maybe?

[YEGmann]

landing a 3,000 ton behemoth...

What are talking about??!

[Tilter]

Don't, they are quite happy with their own choices. A 300 ton behemoth maybe?

You got that right & I didn't.

[Tilter]

What are talking about??!

10 747s

[Boges]

Look they're doing it again.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Canada+flights+cancelled+after+pilots+threaten+sick/6453427/story.html

a sick out.

I'd feel sick if I was dumb enough to travel with Air Canada. The repercussion are already beings seen because of the actions of the people that work for Air Canada.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/954425/jazz-aviation-lp-receives-notification-of-thomas-cook-canada-s-intention-to-discontinue-flight-services-agreement

HALIFAX, April 13, 2012 /CNW/ - Jazz Aviation LP ("Jazz") announces that it has received notification from Thomas Cook Canada Inc. ("Thomas Cook") of its intention to discontinue operating dedicated charter aircraft, branded as Thomas Cook Canada, due to market conditions. As a consequence, the remaining three years of the five-year flight services agreement with Jazz will be terminated effective April 30, 2012.

"A change in market dynamics means that we need to introduce more flexible flying arrangements; the consequence of that is the decision to discontinue our dedicated fleet of 757 aircraft. The Jazz team did a great job in operating our Thomas Cook Canada flights and we thank them for the expertise, guidance and support they provided during the last two years," said Dean Moore, Chief Executive Officer of Thomas Cook North America.

Edited by Boges, 13 April 2012 - 05:22 AM.

[cybercoma]

Look they're doing it again.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Canada+flights+cancelled+after+pilots+threaten+sick/6453427/story.html

a sick out.

I'd feel sick if I was dumb enough to travel with Air Canada. The repercussion are already beings seen because of the actions of the people that work for Air Canada.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/954425/jazz-aviation-lp-receives-notification-of-thomas-cook-canada-s-intention-to-discontinue-flight-services-agreement

Actually, you've got that mixed up. These are the repercussions of the actions of govt interfering in the contract negotiations of a private company. The CPC supporters on this forum already contradicted the govt's reason for the BTW legislation, saying nobody needs to fly on AC. Therefore, govt interference must have been unnecessary. This is the fallout from a govt that does not respect labour and does not understand that there are two equal parties negotiating here.

[TimG]

This is the fallout from a govt that does not respect labour and does not understand that there are two equal parties negotiating here.

The rights of innocent people that face large costs and missed meetings/vacations supersede any right to strike. It makes no difference that people booking flights today have choices. It is the people left stranded that are trapped by quarreling parties and the government has an obligation to protect the interest of those people.

Unions cannot exist without government protection therefore they really have no right to complain when the government restricts the actions they are allowed to take. They still have the right to bargain - just not the right to disrupt the lives of thousands of innocent people.

If people working at Air Canada are not happy with the terms of work then they can go find a new job.

Edited by TimG, 13 April 2012 - 07:08 AM.

[Smallc]

I'd feel sick if I was dumb enough to travel with Air Canada. The repercussion are already beings seen because of the actions of the people that work for Air Canada.

I don't know if you realize this, but Chorus, the company that operates most Air Canada Express flights, is not Air Canada.

[cybercoma]

The "right" to air travel, eh?

[Smallc]

The "right" to air travel, eh?

Well, in some ways, yes. Air travel isn't exactly inexpensive, and it's become indispensable for business in this world. The reality is, the airline industry is doing terribly, and unions are being unrealistic in expecting things to get better for their members right now. Just do your job.