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[Peeves]

You are not going to get that kind of admission from some of the Americans on this board.

Strange isn't it how so often Democratic countries are pointed at while the despots, murderers and human rights deprived nations that are constantly in the news for flagrant abuse of their citizens rights and freedoms are ignored.

The bottom line, we can criticize our countries openly.

[bleeding heart]

Strange isn't it how so often Democratic countries are pointed at while the despots, murderers and human rights deprived nations that are constantly in the news for flagrant abuse of their citizens rights and freedoms are ignored.

The bottom line, we can criticize our countries openly.

The bottom line is that people in Democratic countries should be criticizing their countries openly--that's part of the democratic principle--without people whining about it like indoctrinated, nationalist little cowards.

[American Woman]

You are not going to get that kind of admission from some of the Americans on this board.

Oh, the irony!

[GostHacked]

Oh, the irony!

Where to begin with this ......

Alright, let's play. So sure, Canada went into the war, but they did it covertly. It was not announced, there was no declaration of war, but there is (from your article) some clear evidence of something going on. I recognize that it could be possible, knowing the Canadian government has done shady things in the past. However, when we discuss these kinds of actions taken by the USA, you, American Woman and a few other posters, defend your country's horrific actions almost to the point where you are frothing at the mouth ...... that is irony.

It's almost like you don't quite understand what irony actually is.

Cheney was no angel, former Haliburton exec, oil tycoon and working for the CFR when running for re-election. This is one of the most evil men on the planet, and yet it's all brushed aside and the US posters here for the most part end up being apologetic towards it, without even considering the other side. Some people here think Cheney was a god.

[Shady]

So sure, Canada went into the war, but they did it covertly.

Now you're moving the goal posts.

One more time. Canada did not go to war with Iraq.

You sound like the quintessential politician.

[Manny]

I think you best look in the mirror.

I always do. And I like what I see!

[Manny]

Wow! I didn't realize that Canada was so sneaky to be in the Iraq war and not let the people know. But I'm not surprised, really, the government always lies to us.

But even if it's true my country was involved, I still do not support that war. Now instead of just criticize America, I will criticize Canada for it too! Chretien, you bastard. That's another reason to condemn you.

[American Woman]

Where to begin with this ......

Alright, let's play. So sure, Canada went into the war, but they did it covertly. It was not announced, there was no declaration of war, but there is (from your article) some clear evidence of something going on.

Oh, yes. "Some" clear evidence of "something going on." Unbelievable.

I recognize that it could be possible

Wow!! You have the evidence right in front of your face and you "recognize" that "it could be possible." And here I thought you didn't scrutinize your country the same way you do the U.S.

knowing the Canadian government has done shady things in the past.

Well that's a really bold admission. Nothing specific, but the all-general "I know Canada has done shady things in the past" response. Such fierce condemnation!

However, when we discuss these kinds of actions taken by the USA, you, American Woman and a few other posters, defend your country's horrific actions almost to the point where you are frothing at the mouth

If that's true, I'm sure you'll have no problem providing evidence of that claim, so I expect you to do it.

...... that is irony.

No, that is a false accusation. Your post was irony. And quite amusing, actually. That you are still going on about Americans and the U.S. as you "recognize" that "it could be possible" that Canada was involved in Iraq is irony to the max.

It's almost like you don't quite understand what irony actually is.

I can only assume that you are talking to yourself here.

Cheney was no angel, former Haliburton exec, oil tycoon and working for the CFR when running for re-election. This is one of the most evil men on the planet, and yet it's all brushed aside and the US posters here for the most part end up being apologetic towards it, without even considering the other side. Some people here think Cheney was a god.

And some people can only make false accusations towards others as they give their country a holier-than-thou pass. Either you have no idea what "the US posters" have all said, or you have no comprehension abilities, or you are an out and out liar.

I await the evidence of what you've accused me of.

[American Woman]

Wow! I didn't realize that Canada was so sneaky to be in the Iraq war and not let the people know. But I'm not surprised, really, the government always lies to us.

But even if it's true my country was involved, I still do not support that war. Now instead of just criticize America, I will criticize Canada for it too! Chretien, you bastard. That's another reason to condemn you.

There's no "if" about it; of course it's true. But hopefully you are true to your word and will criticize Canada for it too.

[Shady]

Seriously, how does he get away with this double-speak???

One more time. Canada did not go to war with Iraq.

So sure, Canada went into the war, but they did it covertly.

[bush_cheney2004]

....And some people can only make false accusations towards others as they give their country a holier-than-thou pass. Either you have no idea what "the US posters" have all said, or you have no comprehension abilities, or you are an out and out liar.

For some, it goes far deeper than that, as the very definition of what it means to be Canadian requires overt differentiation and contrast with America and America's policies, even when confronted by the reality of such complicity. This narrative is essential to placate a certain political constituency. Ironically, much of their anti-American rhetoric is imported from...America, as it is eagerly sought and consumed from US media.

[Manny]

Ironically, much of their anti-American rhetoric is imported from...America, as it is eagerly sought and consumed from US media.

What audience does the US media create this for? Surely not exclusively for Canadians...

[Peeves]

The bottom line is that people in Democratic countries should be criticizing their countries openly--that's part of the democratic principle--without people whining about it like indoctrinated, nationalist little cowards.

The bottom line is WE can.

[bush_cheney2004]

What audience does the US media create this for? Surely not exclusively for Canadians...

It is created for US and international audiences in purposeful markets and channels, not as a substitute for missing content in Canada. In many cases, Canadians know more about the inner workings of US government than their own.

[bleeding heart]

The bottom line is WE can.

Yes, yes...you're very happy that we can. So am I.

However, you don't seem to think we should. On that, we disagree.