22 replies to this topic

[stopstaaron]

How can this "shadow MP" be considered as anything different to a Conservative-friendly individual in any riding?

Because he's getting paid on a government salary for going around and giving his "personal opinion". Do conservative friendly individuals go to functions and just give their "personal opinions" and get PAID to do it by the government? I'm a thinking NO.

You can't defend the man Bambino. Pick your fights, this is not one of them.

Edited by stopstaaron, 22 March 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[cybercoma]

How so? The elected MP is still there in parliament, still representing his constituency and, if he's in Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, holding the government to account. How can this "shadow MP" be considered as anything different to a Conservative-friendly individual in any riding?

So I'm a constituent, right? I go to the actually MP for my concerns, but he can't do a damn thing because the governing party has their own representative in the riding making contacts, doling out funding, and basically doing all the other jobs the MP is supposed to be doing. It undermines the position of the true MP and I wouldn't even be bothered contacting him with my concerns. It undermines democracy because the governing party is saying, "Dear constituents, We don't give a shit who you elected."

[jacee]

"Dear constituents, We don't give a shit who you elected ."

Well said cybercoma.

[madmax]

Here we go again, make up some mare scandals, like I said before nobody can scandal like a liberal.

And you are sounding like one...

Its pretty clear to me there is no difference between bad liberal governance and bad conservative governance...

well maybe a budget surplus vs budget deficit..

But still seeing how quickly the Cons have lost their way... its almost since the day they got elected, they started heading down that Mulroney path..

[g_bambino]

So I'm a constituent, right? I go to the actually MP for my concerns, but he can't do a damn thing because the governing party has their own representative in the riding making contacts, doling out funding, and basically doing all the other jobs the MP is supposed to be doing. It undermines the position of the true MP and I wouldn't even be bothered contacting him with my concerns.

But any influential person in a community who's a known Conservative supporter could play the same part (and neither can or could do all the same things an MP can).

I didn't realise, however, that this particular individual is paid by the Conservatives to do it.
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Edited by g_bambino, 22 March 2012 - 09:33 PM.

[cybercoma]

bambino, it's a combination of things. You're right. Any Conservative supporter could make contacts and in some ways do these things.

However, the problem here is the combination of the misleading robocalls, the paycheck he's getting from the government, and the fact that he actually is the one to dole out federal financing to the constituency, rather than the actual MP.

[Vendetta]

bambino, it's a combination of things. You're right. Any Conservative supporter could make contacts and in some ways do these things.

However, the problem here is the combination of the misleading robocalls, the paycheck he's getting from the government, and the fact that he actually is the one to dole out federal financing to the constituency, rather than the actual MP.

Treason! Please send these neanderthals back to their caves!

[MACKER]

Here we go again, make up some mare scandals, like I said before nobody can scandal like a liberal.

Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Harper would love someone masquarading as the MP for Calgary West and saying he has resigned, they might actually start to think someone is representing them.

Or rather SouthWest... wasn't he able to win Calgary west? Does this explain his actions with America?


Hey all lets all be shadow MP's .. and make our own house of Commons, real work may get done, reasonable laws,.. ok what seat do you want?


Wow and get paid for it by the federal government...

the main issue was that the shadow MP was being paid with public funds to do that, and had a profolio that was public sector and he was using that as part of his campaign *culture and heritage*.. really illegal to do, like tony clement G20 funds for border security in the middle of ontario illegal. .. my gosh if I call up and launch a robo campagin saying Harper is resigning or any other member there would be hell to pay.. it is criminal.

Technically the government should not be allowed to hire former partisan candiates especially card holders/current members for non partisan positions, it is a conflict of interest to do so.

They should be declared as political staff/aides


Wielding influence is illegal. It is a form of corruption.


"No country is entirely free of corruption. But if corruption is deep enough it can hinder economic growth and good governance, and decay the fabric of society. Corruption is an obstacle to sustainable development, with the potential to enlarge economic gaps and breed organized crime. Unchecked corruption leaves little room for democracy to flourish; little room for freedom to expand; little room for justice to prevail." - Message from the government of Canada.


"No Canada is entirely free of the Conservative Party. But if the Conservative Party is deep enough it can hinder economic growth and good governance, and decay the fabric of society. The Conservative Party is an obstacle to sustainable development, with the potential to enlarge economic gaps and breed organized crime. Unchecked the Conservative Parrty leaves little room for democracy to flourish; little room for freedom to expand; little room for justice to prevail."

Edited by MACKER, 24 March 2012 - 04:06 PM.