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[Shady]

Apparently yesterday was a disaster for the Obama administration at the Supreme Court. Obama's Solicitor General basically threw up all over himself trying to argue in favour of the individual mandate.



Today doesn't sound as though things got any better for them. CNN's Jeffrey Toobin described this mornings arguments as a plane crash, in which the enitre law will probably be struck down by the court.



Heckuva job Barry.

[dre]

Its a good thing if the mandate gets struck down... the government will be forced to find a better way to deal with the free rider problem. But be carefull what you cheer for because striking down the mandate will mean the government takes a larger and more expensive role in healthcare, and the tax payer is left holding the bag when people without insurance get sick.

[stopstaaron]

U.S needs some kind of universal healthcare ..at least Obama's heart was in the right place but it isn't going to work unless the republicans & the democrats work on a bill together

[stopstaaron]

CNN's Jeffrey Toobin described this mornings arguments as a plane crash, in which the enitre law will probably be struck down by the court.

That isn't what I read.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/politics/scotus-health-care/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Washington (CNN) -- The heart of the health care law championed by President Barack Obama may be in judicial trouble, but the Supreme Court appeared inclined Wednesday to keep at least some provisions of the sweeping reform legislation intact.

[punked]

Apparently yesterday was a disaster for the Obama administration at the Supreme Court. Obama's Solicitor General basically threw up all over himself trying to argue in favour of the individual mandate.



Today doesn't sound as though things got any better for them. CNN's Jeffrey Toobin described this mornings arguments as a plane crash, in which the enitre law will probably be struck down by the court.



Heckuva job Barry.

Wow I for one am suprised the Media wrote the headline which would get them the most readers. Yep just shocked.

[Signals.Cpl]

I'm curious, what are the major problems with the Obamacare? I don't really know much about is and was wondering why people are opposed or for as the case may be.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm curious, what are the major problems with the Obamacare? I don't really know much about is and was wondering why people are opposed or for as the case may be.

The major problems include:

1) Individual mandate to purchase health insurance or face tax penalties (unconstitutional to force Americans to buy a product or service).

2) Expansion of Medicaid eligibility that states will have to cover (additional impact to states' budgets.

3) Prevents insurance companies from using market based risk premiums.

4) Cost controlling "ethics panels" to save money and send grandma to the grave early.

[dre]

The major problems include:

1) Individual mandate to purchase health insurance or face tax penalties (unconstitutional to force Americans to buy a product or service).

2) Expansion of Medicaid eligibility that states will have to cover (additional impact to states' budgets.

3) Prevents insurance companies from using market based risk premiums.

4) Cost controlling "ethics panels" to save money and send grandma to the grave early.

All of these problems could be solved with a public non profit insurance option... Which is what they should have done in the first place and what Obama wanted to do. Instead he let lobbiests for the insurance industry write the piece of corporate welfare thats currently on the books.

[bush_cheney2004]

All of these problems could be solved with a public non profit insurance option... Which is what they should have done in the first place and what Obama wanted to do. Instead he let lobbiests for the insurance industry write the piece of corporate welfare thats currently on the books.

The so called 'public option' was politically DOA. The Clintons found that out in 1993. Besides, many states already have non-profit HMOs.

[dre]

The so called 'public option' was politically DOA. The Clintons found that out in 1993. Besides, many states already have non-profit HMOs.

Well there was strong popular support for it. And really it was pretty close... just a few more congressional retards on his side and he wouldnt have had to trade the public option for a mandate.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well there was strong popular support for it. And really it was pretty close... just a few more congressional retards on his side and he wouldnt have had to trade the public option for a mandate.

Strong popular support by a minority of voters does not a public option make. A majority of polled Americans were satisfied with their existing health care insurance:

Most Americans report high levels of satisfaction with the health care they receive, with 58 percent satisfied and 23 percent dissatisfied with their health care.

Satisfaction with health care is highest among those with Medicare, with 73 percent satisfied and 16 dissatisfied. Those with employer-provided plans also report high levels (65 percent) of satisfaction with their health care. 53 percent among those on Medicaid report satisfaction with health care, and 27 percent are dissatisfied.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/28/reason-rupe-58-percent-of-american-satis

[dre]

Strong popular support by a minority of voters does not a public option make. A majority of polled Americans were satisfied with their existing health care insurance:

Most Americans report high levels of satisfaction with the health care they receive, with 58 percent satisfied and 23 percent dissatisfied with their health care.

Satisfaction with health care is highest among those with Medicare, with 73 percent satisfied and 16 dissatisfied. Those with employer-provided plans also report high levels (65 percent) of satisfaction with their health care. 53 percent among those on Medicaid report satisfaction with health care, and 27 percent are dissatisfied.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/28/reason-rupe-58-percent-of-american-satis

A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-5098517.html

[bush_cheney2004]

A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans.

The US and state governments already have many programs that do this. The US government cannot guarantee health care any more than the Canadian government can. Health care is not a right.

A majority of Americans will not jeopardize their existing employer sponsored plans to provide insurance for all.

Edited by bush_cheney2004, 01 April 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[dre]

The US and state governments already have many programs that do this. The US government cannot guarantee health care any more than the Canadian government can. Health care is not a right.

A majority of Americans will not jeopardize their existing employer sponsored plans to provide insurance for all.

They wouldnt have to....

[bush_cheney2004]

They wouldnt have to....

Yes they would....Americans would experience the rationing and scarcity seen in Canada. Many doctors refuse to take on new Medicaid patients even today because of low reimbursement rates. Higher fee for service rates ensure excess capacity for those with the ability to pay. Again, health care is not a right, not even in Canada.