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[punked]

Nope. You said that taking away the health insurance's anti-trust exemption is being done by the states. It's not. Now you're saying that it wouldn't lower costs much. Now you're moving the goal posts. Who cares though? If it only lowers costs a little, why shouldn't it be done? Even if it didn't lower costs at all. Why should health insurance companies have this exemption at all? Why not get rid of it regardless? Why are you a mouth piece for big insurance? Why are you protecting them?

Really because IF YOU WOULD READ WHAT I POSTED, that is just what the CBO, Republicans, and Chamber of Commerce is saying. SO I HAVE CITED MY SOURCES I WAIT FOR YOURS.

Do some research and come back because right now your head is spinning and you have no idea what you are talking about. I am all for getting rid of it the Democrats already tried to pass a law to get rid of it, the president wrote a press release saying you pass the bill I will sign it. Now all we wait for is REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE to re-introduce the DEMOCRATIC bill that gets rid of it.

[punked]

Nope, I'm just trying to figure out what your buddy is saying. It's not tax one day, but on another day, in front of the Supreme Court, it is a tax. Even though it's not. We all know the difference between a tax and a penalty.

So we agree it is a tax and thus it is Constitutional. Ok problem solved Shady agrees Obama twice today hell has frozen over.

[Shady]

Really because IF YOU WOULD READ WHAT I POSTED, that is just what the CBO, Republicans, and Chamber of Commerce is saying. SO I HAVE CITED MY SOURCES I WAIT FOR YOURS.

Instead of quoting what people are saying, how about just looking at what's reality. Health insurance companies have an anti-trust exemption that's still in place. That's a fact. Deal with it. IT'S STILL THERE PUNKED, IT HASN'T GONE AWAY, NO MATTER WHAT DISINFORMATION YOU DECIDE TO POST. Stop being a mouth piece for big insurance.

[Shady]

So we agree it is a tax and thus it is Constitutional. Ok problem solved Shady agrees Obama twice today hell has frozen over.

Nope, the statute is specifically written as a penalty. I know you know the difference between a tax and a penalty.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nope, the statute is specifically written as a penalty. I know you know the difference between a tax and a penalty.

That's right...it is clearly legislated as a "penalty". This will prove to be its undoing, if only because the math is stupid. Firms and individuals would choose to pay the penalty instead of getting more expensive health insurance. DUH!

Edited by bush_cheney2004, 01 April 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[punked]

Instead of quoting what people are saying, how about just looking at what's reality. Health insurance companies have an anti-trust exemption that's still in place. That's a fact. Deal with it. IT'S STILL THERE PUNKED, IT HASN'T GONE AWAY, NO MATTER WHAT DISINFORMATION YOU DECIDE TO POST. Stop being a mouth piece for big insurance.

I agree because REPUBLICANS refuse to re-introduce a DEMOCRATIC bill to stop that exemption. I am dumbfounded. You posted here telling me the Republicans had a plan, then I do a little research only to find out this magical plan you speak of has been passed by Democratics and supported by Obama and Republicans are the ones holding it up.

Please just stop for your own sake you look ridiculous.

[Shady]

I agree because REPUBLICANS refuse to re-introduce a DEMOCRATIC bill to stop that exemption.

Nope. Because unfortunately, Democrats won't ever vote on the anti-trust exemption alone. It's always included with other policy, usually on purpose, to make it unviable.

[punked]

That's right...it is clearly legislated as a "penalty". This will prove to be its undoing, if only because the math is stupid. Firms and individuals would choose to pay the penalty instead of getting more expensive health insurance. DUH!

Maybe I doubt it though.

[Shady]

That's right...it is clearly legislated as a "penalty". This will prove to be its undoing, if only because the math is stupid. Firms and individuals would choose to pay the penalty instead of getting more expensive health insurance. DUH!

Exactly. It's actually cheaper to pay the penalty than to buy the insurance.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nope. Because unfortunately, Democrats won't ever vote on the anti-trust exemption alone. It's always included with other policy, usually on purpose, to make it unviable.

Democrats don't dare do this alone, even when they had the numbers in 2008. Political suicide....

[punked]

Nope. Because unfortunately, Democrats won't ever vote on the anti-trust exemption alone. It's always included with other policy, usually on purpose, to make it unviable.

Democrats have passed two bills to do what you are pretending is the Republican plan with nothing attached. Please go read the bills and tell me what was attached to them.

Republicans have had congress for 2 years and have passed none. You are a lying unless I see a citation from here on I will be responding you by calling a lair.

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe I doubt it though.

You doubt that people will act in their best economic interest? Why?

[bush_cheney2004]

Republicans have had congress for 2 years and have passed none. You are a lying unless I see a citation from here on I will be responding you by calling a lair.

What is a "lair"? You mean like a den or man-cave?

[American Woman]

That's right...it is clearly legislated as a "penalty". This will prove to be its undoing, if only because the math is stupid. Firms and individuals would choose to pay the penalty instead of getting more expensive health insurance. DUH!

And people who can't afford health insurance will choose to pay the penalty and thus will be burdened with another expense on top of medical expenses - which makes the idea that this plan is 'to help Americans without health coverage' ludicrous.

[kimmy]

What is a "lair"? You mean like a den or man-cave?

If he calls your lair and you're not home, hopefully he'll leave a massage.

-k