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[Signals.Cpl]

Seems that people are divided on the issue, and some are for and others are against. I want to ask you all for the reasons why you support or oppose the purchase and if you oppose it what do you suggest we replace our current fighters with.


Thank You

[waldo]

I've already stated we don't need this albatross or anything like it; again, target Search & Rescue needs, beef up the Coast Guard, deliver icebreakers for scientific pursuit (and sovereignty posturing) and position Canadian Forces to properly deliver to the best traditions within Canada's storied peace-keeping role, etc.

[eyeball]

Seems that people are divided on the issue, and some are for and others are against. I want to ask you all for the reasons why you support or oppose the purchase and if you oppose it what do you suggest we replace our current fighters with.

Nothing. I say we give peace a chance.

There is no nation on Earth that could ever afford to invade us for the same reason we can't afford these jets.

The expense is just too ridiculous to even bother contemplating.

[Signals.Cpl]

I've already stated we don't need this albatross or anything like it; again, target Search & Rescue needs, beef up the Coast Guard, deliver icebreakers for scientific pursuit (and sovereignty posturing) and position Canadian Forces to properly deliver to the best traditions within Canada's storied peace-keeping role, etc.

Do you actually believe peacekeeping works?

Canada needs replacement jets, thats not the question, the question is which one.

[cybercoma]

There's already a number of these threads already:

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=20666

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=20531

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=16512

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=17363

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=18703

http://www.mapleleaf...showtopic=18899

[Signals.Cpl]

There's already a number of these threads already:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20666

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20531

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16512

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17363

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18703

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18899

I was attempting to go the other way, I wish to separate politics from the purchase. Something along the lines of wether its a good idea or not rather then making it political. Subjects like this should transcend politics.

[Wilber]

The best we can afford. If that's the F-35, then that's what we should get.

There is no nation on Earth that could ever afford to invade us for the same reason we can't afford these jets.

Of course there are.

[Smallc]

Waldo, I'm curious why you would think we don't need something that we've used multiple times in the last two decades.

[waldo]

Waldo, I'm curious why you would think we don't need something that we've used multiple times in the last two decades.

you mean the... two bombing efforts... Bosnia and recent months Libya? Well, make it 3 since a few bombs were also dropped during Bush 41s "Gulf War 1" missive.

let's also be clear, Libya was nothing more than a means to an end for Harper/MacKay to push their military fervour and presume to solidify a justification for the failed F-35 pursuits.

is it your assertion that participating in these most limited campaigns, spread across literally decades in time, is a warranted justification for the financial expenditures associated with the CF-18 aircraft?

[Smallc]

you mean the... two bombing efforts... Bosnia and recent months Libya? Well, make it 3 since a few bombs were also dropped during Bush 41s "Gulf War 1" missive.

Yes, 3 times.

let's also be clear, Libya was nothing more than a means to an end for Harper/MacKay to push their military fervour and presume to solidify a justification for the failed F-35 pursuits.

It was? I'm sure you can provide proof then.

is it your assertion that participating in these most limited campaigns, spread across literally decades in time, is a warranted justification for the financial expenditures associated with the CF-18 aircraft?

That, and our obligations to both NATO and NORAD. Having no fighter capability simply isn't an option.

[Signals.Cpl]

The best we can afford. If that's the F-35, then that's what we should get.



Of course there are.

I believe he thinks we are the US.

[dre]

Yes, 3 times.



It was? I'm sure you can provide proof then.



That, and our obligations to both NATO and NORAD. Having no fighter capability simply isn't an option.

Sure it is... if they arente necessary for Canadian DEFENSE it absolutely IS an option. Nato will take what we give them, because they are a lameduck organization whos members often dont even show up.

Having said that... I DO think we need a small airforce because we have lots of air space. But its utterly unthinkable that we would spent 20-40 billion dollars on NATO support. These people already owe us big time, and we owe THEM precisely jack shit.

[waldo]

That, and our obligations to both NATO and NORAD. Having no fighter capability simply isn't an option.

says who? You? I'd be interested in better understanding said "NATO/NORAD obligations", how those said obligations translate directly into forced/required fighter jet procurement, and most specifically how those said obligations measure against domestic financial means/fiscal measures... and changing public attitudes. In other words how "tied in" are we to these said obligations?

[cybercoma]

Not to mention the fact that agreements with NATO and NORAD should not ever undermine our sovereignty.

[Signals.Cpl]

you mean the... two bombing efforts... Bosnia and recent months Libya? Well, make it 3 since a few bombs were also dropped during Bush 41s "Gulf War 1" missive.

let's also be clear, Libya was nothing more than a means to an end for Harper/MacKay to push their military fervour and presume to solidify a justification for the failed F-35 pursuits.

is it your assertion that participating in these most limited campaigns, spread across literally decades in time, is a warranted justification for the financial expenditures associated with the CF-18 aircraft?

Or the dozens of time that Canadian fighters have had to escort Russian aircraft from our airspace. Or the fact that parts of our territory are also claimed by at least four other nations one of them being Russia and with the possibility of the massive reserves of natural resources in the north, most of those nations will be willing to push for what they want, we as a nations should be able to push back.