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[dre]

I also would not support the decriminalization of heavy narcotics like heroin or cocaine...

Why on earth? Use and addiction would go way down if we did that, and drug related crime would be reduced.

[GostHacked]

I honestly don't care what you think...

However,alcohol IS legal...

There was a time when alcohol was illegal. Hypothetically if alcohol was deemed illegal tomorrow what would your thoughts be then? How would you react, what would you do?

I'm not interested in dopehead justifications for why they think they need the legal right to puff weed with impugnity,but,I also think the police have better things to do than potentially imprison someone for having a few joints on them.

Yes, indeed, taking down drunk drivers and people who are intoxicated in puplic due to alcohol is a higher priority on the list.

Which is why I support decriminalization...If you get caught puffing a joint you get a ....say...a 50$ ticket?...Instead of a criminal record..

Why not go all the way and legalize it?

1 - you eliminate the criminality of it.
2 - you marginalize criminal operations by legalizing it.
3 - tax it and the government can benefit.
4 - moving it from a criminal issue to a health and mental health issue would benefit all sides as well.
5 - money not spend on law enforcement of prohobition can be used for everything else we need.

Are you suggesting that a narcotic like cocaine,and all we know about its addictive nature,should be legalized?

I for one advocating legalizing it all and let the chips fall where they may. If you ruin your life on cocain, (which I would argue that alcohol has destroyed more lives and families than all other drugs combined)..... then that is YOUR problem and not society's as a whole. Why should any one tell you how to live? If you are not ruining anyone elses life, then go for it.

There is such a wide support range for people who have problem with the drink, why don't we have that for drugs as well? There is no evidence that legalising it all would send society down the shitter. People who are not using those drugs today, most likely will continue to not use those drugs when they are legal.

Oh one more thing ....... i've never seen a prescription for medicinal alcohol. *puff puff puff*.....

Edited by GostHacked, 16 April 2012 - 04:33 AM.

[jacee]

There was a time when alcohol was illegal. Hypothetically if alcohol was deemed illegal tomorrow what would your thoughts be then? How would you react, what would you do?

Yes, indeed, taking down drunk drivers and people who are intoxicated in puplic due to alcohol is a higher priority on the list.

Why not go all the way and legalize it?

1 - you eliminate the criminality of it.
2 - you marginalize criminal operations by legalizing it.
3 - tax it and the government can benefit.
4 - moving it from a criminal issue to a health and mental health issue would benefit all sides as well.
5 - money not spend on law enforcement of prohobition can be used for everything else we need.

I for one advocating legalizing it all and let the chips fall where they may. If you ruin your life on cocain, (which I would argue that alcohol has destroyed more lives and families than all other drugs combined)..... then that is YOUR problem and not society's as a whole. Why should any one tell you how to live? If you are not ruining anyone elses life, then go for it.

There is such a wide support range for people who have problem with the drink, why don't we have that for drugs as well? There is no evidence that legalising it all would send society down the shitter. People who are not using those drugs today, most likely will continue to not use those drugs when they are legal.

Oh one more thing ....... i've never seen a prescription for medicinal alcohol. *puff puff puff*.....

I agree.
Alcohol is legal, but it isn't legal to drink and drive and endanger others, and you won't keep a job long if you drink at work. Same applies to drugs; If you're only harming yourself, what business is it of the police or courts or anyone else?

But just 'decriminalizing isn't enough: You can use it but you can't buy it? Give me a break! That just allows the real problem to continue - organized crime IS the real drug problem, imo. It should be regulated and taxed imo, and cut organized crime out of it totally.

I'm a bit surprised at the support shown in the poll for legalization. I was on the fence (not sure, let's talk) when I started this thread, but the concerns of the leaders of the drug producing countries made me think about it seriously.

And something else happened ... Just the other night I watched a tv show where they said the CIA uses phony 'immunization' programs (malaria, etc) as a front to coLLect DNA samples to track those involved in the drug trade via their families, locate hiding places, growing fields, etc.

Then it clicked: A youtth (barely legal adult) I knew went on a 'program' - kids who think they're on an adventure and education program trekking through the mountains in South America. She knew there was something fishy about it Nobody cared if they did the education component, no organization of that, no supplies, etc. It all focused on the immunization program that 'accompanied' them.

Now I know exactly what it was, and IT'S DISGUSTING!!!
They defrauded those kids (who paid their own expenses) and put them at risk in their stupid 'war on drugs'!!
YOUTH CHALLENGE INTERNATIONAL IS A CIA DRUG WAR FRONT.

Just for your own future reference.Tell your friends and neighbours.

(Btw ... the show said that's also how they tracked Bin Laden.)

So that's the dirty deed side of the drug war being conducted by the US in other countries: They'll put kids at risk in some remote area of the world ... makes me want to throw up!

And I'm sure that's not the worst of what lengths the US goes to to cater to the holier-than-thou constituency that demands a war on drugs!

So I'm committed now: Get the f'n US/CIA out of other people's countries/communities and let those countries legalize drugs. Let the US figure out how to deal with its own drug problems without victimizing other people's kids!

Edited by jacee, 16 April 2012 - 08:04 AM.

[eyeball]

If one decriminalizes something like marijuana,by making posession a summary offence,the "criminality" is greatly reduced.

What sort of reduction could decriminalization possibly ever have on the producers, smugglers, dealers, money launderers etc etc?

As for users making possession a summary offence will probably only piss them off and cause even more contempt for the law.

[Boges]

I find it hilarious that people think criminals will just give up their illegal ways once governments legalize Heroine and want to tax it.

[eyeball]

I find it hilarious that people think criminals will just give up their illegal ways once governments legalize Heroine and want to tax it.

I suppose if the government keeps prices inflated beyond all reason we'll see contraband producers like we do now with tax-free cigarettes.

[GostHacked]

I find it hilarious that people think criminals will just give up their illegal ways once governments legalize Heroine and want to tax it.

They criminals will move on to something else. Also it would expose some of the criminals in the government who benefit from prohibition. But most criminal activity revolves around illegal drugs. So you may get criminals becoming legit business men.

[Boges]

So you may get criminals becoming legit business men.

Yeah OK

Instead of running drugs, they'll want to be clerks at the newly opened Heroine Control Board of Ontario.

Many people I know that smoke get their tobacco off the reserves. That's a legal substance that people are picking up illegally.

What should the gumint do about that?

[eyeball]

They criminals will move on to something else. Also it would expose some of the criminals in the government who benefit from prohibition. But most criminal activity revolves around illegal drugs. So you may get criminals becoming legit business men.

Most criminals involved with drugs will just get regular jobs. Robbing banks and kidnapping people and so on is probably way harder than it looks and definitely riskier.

[Boges]

Most criminals involved with drugs will just get regular jobs. Robbing banks and kidnapping people and so on is probably way harder than it looks and definitely riskier.

Yeah and smuggling illicit drugs in the US is a snap right?

These people who make millions of crime will just go on and get a job as a retail clerk or a waiter.

Smuggling drugs is duty free. What makes you think people would be willing to stop smuggling a de-criminalized drug as opposed to a criminalized drug?

Edited by Boges, 16 April 2012 - 10:07 AM.

[eyeball]

Many people I know that smoke get their tobacco off the reserves. That's a legal substance that people are picking up illegally.

It's hilarious isn't it?

What should the gumint do about that?

Fill up their prisons with people who refuse to get with the program.

Easy peasy.

[Boges]

Fill up their prisons with people who refuse to get with the program.

Selling poison to people is cool as long as the government gets its cut right.

Edited by Boges, 16 April 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[eyeball]

Yeah and smuggling illicit drugs in the US is a snap right?

These people who make millions of crime will just go on and get a job as a retail clerk or a waiter.

No, the people making millions will become the CEO's of big recreational pharma corporations and be thinking about things like putting Royal Coats of Arms in their company letterhead and screwing their workers.

[eyeball]

Selling poison to people is cool as long as the government gets its cut right.

It's more legal than cool. Apparently it's uncool when the the gumint doesn't get it's cut.

[Boges]

No, the people making millions will become the CEO's of big recreational pharma corporations and be thinking about things like putting Royal Coats of Arms in their company letterhead and screwing their workers.

So being a gangster and being a CEO have similar job descriptions? Wait I guess they do.

Drug Runners also would probably be excellent as members of the Liberal Party of Ontario.

Edited by Boges, 16 April 2012 - 10:23 AM.