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[punked]

Yes, if this computer programmmer cannot provide evidence that they are applying for computer programmming jobs. The distinction between skilled and non-skilled work is well established. You are wasting time trying to conflate the two.

So now they will create a whole new system in the government that pays people to check who is applying for what job? Sounds like some big government mumojumbo to me.

[TimG]

So now they will create a whole new system in the government that pays people to check who is applying for what job? Sounds like some big government mumojumbo to me.

The onus will be on the people who want to keep collecting EI to provide evidence. In any case, the "we should just give money away because it is a pain to track freeloaders" argument is not that compelling.

Edited by TimG, 19 April 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[The_Squid]

I never had an issue working as a farm labourer while I was having trouble finding work in my profession...

A computer programmer who feels entitled to EI because they don't want to get their hands dirty sounds a bit snooty. EI is an insurance program for those who can't find any work....

[TimG]

A computer programmer who feels entitled to EI because they don't want to get their hands dirty sounds a bit snooty. EI is an insurance program for those who can't find any work....

For most skilled jobs the money you collect with EI is peanuts and it is all clawed back once you start working again.

[Topaz]

I say, that since the government is doing many changes which most people Don't like, how about changing EI, give people choice to pay into or opt out. Besides, if the government were doing a better job on the economy, Canadians wouldn't have to go in EI.

[eyeball]

Smokescreen.

The Conservatives want to bring in Hundreds of thousands of Asian workers into alberta use Foreign Temp Agencies.

This is Kennys Mandate.

If I want a Conservative to misrepresent EI and how it works.. we always have Diane Finley.. she never has a clue.

One of the larger resorts in my region advertised year round for people seeking year round employment. My wife was quite qualified for all of the positions offered and submitted resumes a few times but never once got a call even though the advertisement for workers remained posted in the paper and job bank. A worker at the bank finally told my wife to not bother with the resort because they were only advertising positions for a the time required to qualify for an immigration program. Apparently they would then be allowed to bring people in from other countries under two year contracts and presumably for less wages.

I'm assuming resumes were vetted and applicants deemed either under-qualified or over-qualified thereby leaving the poor resort (actually it's worth millions) no other option than to apply to the ministry of immigration and employment to help facilitate the contracts with immigrant workers.

Please recall that this is in a region where the same government that allows this also pushed our fishing and logging communities to the brink of extinction. I guess I could also point out the local native communities where unemployment remains high, almost as high as the number of opportunities the government gave them to fish and log.

Anyone else detecting a pattern here? EI is more like compensation for years of economic maltreatment at the hands of our dear government than insurance.

Relocate? Where to exactly and what about our house and property and the 35 year old root system we've planted in our community? Should we just pack it all in for a Winnebago and move to Wally World or pack it full of amex and go visit Ottawa?

[The_Squid]

....they were only advertising positions for a the time required to qualify for an immigration program. Apparently they would then be allowed to bring people in from other countries under two year contracts and presumably for less wages.

This is worse than any EI fraud that the average person perpetuates.

There shouldn't be a "foreign worker" program. The government should be doing everything in their power to eliminate it, not expand it, and certainly not reward fraudulent companies that just want to pay less to workers.

[madmax]

There shouldn't be a "foreign worker" program. The government should be doing everything in their power to eliminate it, not expand it, and certainly not reward fraudulent companies that just want to pay less to workers.

As I have said. This is a smoke screen. The Conservatives want to bring in Hundreds of Thousands of workers from foreign countries (like China) through temp agencies.. particularly to go into Western Provinces...

[MiddleClassCentrist]

There shouldn't be a "foreign worker" program. The government should be doing everything in their power to eliminate it, not expand it, and certainly not reward fraudulent companies that just want to pay less to workers.

You are forgetting that fraud convictions are seen as an asset when working for the Conservative party.

[CPCFTW]

As I have said. This is a smoke screen. The Conservatives want to bring in Hundreds of Thousands of workers from foreign countries (like China) through temp agencies.. particularly to go into Western Provinces...

Don't be a fool! You're falling for the real smokescreen. The conservatives want to make us think that they are doing this to bring in Chinese temp workers, so that we will be distracted from their real intentions... To kill and harvest the organs of the poor as delicacies to eat!

[TimG]

Apparently they would then be allowed to bring people in from other countries under two year contracts and presumably for less wages.

Nonsense. Companies would not turn down local workers if the issue was simply a question of wages or contract terms. They would offer what they are willing to offer. Your anecdote makes no sense.

Relocate? Where to exactly and what about our house and property and the 35 year old root system we've planted in our community?

Stay in your community if you want but don't expect the government to pay you for your lifestyle choice.

[punked]

Nonsense. Companies would not turn down local workers if the issue was simply a question of wages or contract terms. They would offer what they are willing to offer. Your anecdote makes no sense.

Stay in your community if you want but don't expect the government to pay you for your lifestyle choice.

Get with the program. Companies aren't looking out for us they are looking out for their bottom line.

[capricorn]

Companies aren't looking out for us they are looking out for their bottom line.

If they didn't, they'd go tits up. How would that help provide jobs?

[Boges]

Get with the program.

What program, the program that says the government is the only thing that can possibly save us from ourselves?

[punked]

If they didn't, they'd go tits up. How would that help provide jobs?

This is where the problem lies. Hire Canadians to cut down trees, who when asked to do things that go against the labor code complain who can and will unionize, and who can quite when things are to tough for them. Hire foreign workers who you give shelter to close to the job site (usually in a rural area where there is nothing around) charge them for their room and board so you end up paying them very little and you can abuse them. It is much cheaper and easier to rip off a foreign worker then a Canadian one. So you "create" job descriptions that can't be filled. In the US it is so bad now that the illegals aren't coming in they are making their inmates do the slave labor.

http://halifax.openfile.ca/halifax/text/foreign-workers-abused-nova-scotia