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#1 Peeves

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:41 PM

I have been a union member, a union elected rep, a member of management, and an independent self employed consultant.

I've never been unemployed. I've never collected EI. and I resent socialist programs that take tax payers hard earned money to provide unrealistic, programs and civic workers union contracts and pensions that cost the rest of us one way or another.

Every $ the government gives to somebody or something they take from us. Demanding more from the government is only going to result in taking more from the working person.

Governments that 'give' largesse to get votes are the bane of the tax payer. Seeing the waste as in E. Health, costly Green energy programs, Ornge, closing generating plants for political gain alone make our Liberals the bete noir of the tax paying public AND those not paying taxes who would have more benefits without the waste and mismanagement in government.

Not just the Liberals. The NDP that would trade an ethical position for a concession. Nor just the NDP, a Conservative government that would allow the Tony Clement pork barrel or an MP that would think a $16.00 glass of juice is her right as our representative.
But, she won't get fired..not a chance, but she should be.
I'm sick of Government and unions taking, looking out for only themselves and/or votes, and shitting on the tax payer.








http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/05/canadians-have-no-interest-in-joining-unions-poll


Canadians have no interest in joining unions: Poll
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By Stefania Moretti ,QMI Agency



The vast majority of non-unionized Canadians have no interest in joining a union, according to a new poll released Monday.

The Canadian LabourWatch Association, which describes itself as a not-for-profit, pro-employee choice advocacy group, commissioned Nanos Research to survey working Canadians on their impressions of unions and found just under a third belong to an employee union. For most, membership came when they took the job.

Nearly eight in 10 who did not hold a union job would not want to be unionized if given the choice, Nanos said. Nearly 84% agreed with having a secret ballot vote when forming a union is on the table.

Roughly three-quarters agreed with the right of workers to cross picket lines.

The majority of workers were also opposed to the idea of union dues paying for things such as partisan politics (59.8%), including attack ads (73.3%) and non-work advocacy groups (70%).

A whopping 83% of Canadians agreed with mandatory public financial disclosure for both public and private sector unions on a regular basis.

John Mortimer, president of LabourWatch, said Canada is the only country where someone's job is at risk if they don't finance a union's political agenda. That's because union dues in Canada are a condition of employment.

"You must pay union dues to get your job and keep you job even if the union uses them not for collective bargaining but for politics," he said. "In every other country, from Sweden to Russia, Italy to England, Australia to the U.S., that's no longer allowed. Money in politics in the rest of the world is voluntary money, not compelled money.

"The Canadian public is not entitled to know at law what is going on with union financial," he said, adding 75% of the public sector is unionized and tax dollars fund the union dues.

On the flip side, a clear majority of respondents said unions have a positive impact on job security. More than half of unionized workers said their dues are well spent and one-in-two still believe unions remain relevant.

Nanos randomly surveyed 1,001 employed Canadians between July 20 and July 25, 2011, by telephone for the results of this survey. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1%, 19 times out of 20.

Stefania.Moretti@canoe.ca


Edited by Peeves, 24 April 2012 - 12:42 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:07 PM

I have been a union member, a union elected rep, a member of management, and an independent self employed consultant.

I've never been unemployed. I've never collected EI. and I resent socialist programs that take tax payers hard earned money to provide unrealistic, programs and civic workers union contracts and pensions that cost the rest of us one way or another.

Every $ the government gives to somebody or something they take from us. Demanding more from the government is only going to result in taking more from the working person.

Governments that 'give' largesse to get votes are the bane of the tax payer. Seeing the waste as in E. Health, costly Green energy programs, Ornge, closing generating plants for political gain alone make our Liberals the bete noir of the tax paying public AND those not paying taxes who would have more benefits without the waste and mismanagement in government.

Not just the Liberals. The NDP that would trade an ethical position for a concession. Nor just the NDP, a Conservative government that would allow the Tony Clement pork barrel or an MP that would think a $16.00 glass of juice is her right as our representative.
But, she won't get fired..not a chance, but she should be.
I'm sick of Government and unions taking, looking out for only themselves and/or votes, and shitting on the tax payer.








http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/05/canadians-have-no-interest-in-joining-unions-poll


Is this some hamfisted attempt at a demand for RTW legislation in Ontario/Canada???
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:22 PM

Labourwatch is a union busting outfit set up by business to try and get unions de-certified, to lobby for anti-union legislation, and to generally support the view of business that employees should be paid as little as possible, have no rights, and have no benefits. I would question the honesty of anything they say and the integrity of any poll, survey or study commissioned by them.

Edited by Argus, 25 April 2012 - 04:41 AM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:24 PM

Is this some hamfisted attempt at a demand for RTW legislation in Ontario/Canada???



Could be, could be just a tax payer rant. Could be a run for office. Could be pretty much what you want to make it.

But I resent the 'ham fisted.' I resent the "demand". Just a perspective.
Maybe just a consideration that Canada's obligatory union membership laws are in need of a change and government needs to be more fiscally responsible.


Canada is the only country where someone's job is at risk if they don't finance a union's political agenda. That's because union dues in Canada are a condition of employment.


Edited by Peeves, 24 April 2012 - 01:24 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

I have been a union member, a union elected rep, a member of management, and an independent self employed consultant.


Cool...
what kind of Consulting do you do.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

Could be, could be just a tax payer rant. Could be a run for office. Could be pretty much what you want to make it.

But I resent the 'ham fisted.' I resent the "demand". Just a perspective.
Maybe just a consideration that Canada's obligatory union membership laws are in need of a change and government needs to be more fiscally responsible.


Incorrect...

No one is obliged to join a union as a condition of employment.As a union steward you should have been knowledgable about the labour laws in Ontario...

Look up "Agency Shop" because that's what we work under in this province...

Your mischaracterization of the legal situation re. union membership is,indeed,hamfisted...I'd also add poorly informed...
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

Part of this thread is Provincial...

And Part of this thread is about the Entitlements of Bev Oda, who appears to think government funds come from Heaven
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:05 PM

Part of this thread is Provincial...

And Part of this thread is about the Entitlements of Bev Oda, who appears to think government funds come from Heaven


And is Bev Oda a union member? I thought she was a doctor and then a politicians...
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:07 PM

Could be, could be just a tax payer rant. Could be a run for office. Could be pretty much what you want to make it.

But I resent the 'ham fisted.' I resent the "demand". Just a perspective.
Maybe just a consideration that Canada's obligatory union membership laws are in need of a change and government needs to be more fiscally responsible.

Canada is the only country where someone's job is at risk if they don't finance a union's political agenda. That's because union dues in Canada are a condition of employment.


Your quote is completely wrong, btw. Union dues are a condition of employment in any organization which is unionized, be it in Canada or elsewhere in the world.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:14 PM

Neither the Liberals nor the NDP are socialist.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:14 PM

Labourwatch is union busting outfit set up by business to try and get unions de-certified, to lobby for anti-union legislation, and to generally support the view of business that employees should be paid as little as possible, have no rights, and have no benefits. I would question the honesty of anything they say and the integrity of any poll, survey or study commissioned by them.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:19 PM

And is Bev Oda a union member? I thought she was a doctor and then a politicians...


If you read the first post... Tony Clement is Mentioned and the $16 glass of OJ is Bev Oda, although not named specifically.. she is the only one in the news for a glass of juice.

Bev Oda a doctor? ScaREY.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:21 PM

Labourwatch is union busting outfit set up by business to try and get unions de-certified, to lobby for anti-union legislation, and to generally support the view of business that employees should be paid as little as possible, have no rights, and have no benefits. I would question the honesty of anything they say and the integrity of any poll, survey or study commissioned by them.


Yup...

Kinda like the National Right To Work Committee,The National Association of Manufacturers,The Cato Institute in the US...

All fronts for business under the guise of standing up for the individual workers "freedom" in the workplace...
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

The opening post is not that great - just a general lament about "socialists" and a mixed bag of complaints, along with a biased poll. All I'm asking here is that we make the thread about something SPECIFIC that we can discuss.

Peeves - what is the specific thing we should be talking about here ?

You seem to think there's some idea of fairness in market wages ? That working people shouldn't band together and demand better for themselves. That it's not "fair" ? Maybe we can talk about that.

Aren't wages about what will fly in the market ?

Usually when I hear people talking about what is fair, it's NDPers demanding that CEO salaries be kept to less than 100 times workers salaries...

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:55 PM

And is Bev Oda a union member? I thought she was a doctor and then a politicians...


A doctor not even close ...she was a worked in tv started out at TVO and then to CTV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bev_Oda



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