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[Boges]

Really?

That's essentially what the War Measures Act is.

[nittanylionstorm07]

That's essentially what the War Measures Act is.

You should move to the US. You would fit in quite well in the south.

[Boges]

You should move to the US. You would fit in quite well in the south.

Huh?

I was just comparing this event to a historical event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis

The October Crisis (French: La crise d'octobre) was a series of events triggered by two kidnappings of government officials by members of the Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) during October 1970 in the province of Quebec, mainly in the Montreal metropolitan area.

The circumstances ultimately culminated in the only peacetime use of the War Measures Act in Canada's history, done by Governor General of Canada Roland Michener at the direction of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, having been requested by the Premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau.

The invocation of the act resulted in widespread deployment of Canadian Forces troops throughout Quebec, and in Ottawa gave the appearance that martial law had been imposed, although the military remained in a support role to the civil authorities of Quebec. The police were also enabled with far-reaching powers, and they arrested and detained, without bail, 497 individuals, all but 62 of whom were later released without charges.

I heard a Toronto radio personality from Quebec compare what's going on in Quebec to the October Crisis.

Imagine in Stephen Harper did what PET did then? People would freak.

Edited by Boges, 26 April 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[Bonam]

The riots are BS. Quebec tuition is already absurdly low, many times lower than it is for students in most other provinces. Quebec leeches need to learn to pay for stuff themselves rather than expect someone else to keep picking up the tab.

[Shakeyhands]

You're right I don't. Enlighten me. Are there examples of rioting effecting political change in Quebec.

The October Crisis perhaps? If PET was in power, would anyone be surprised if he declared Marshall Law.

Really?

Yeah... Really!!!!

Set in Melbourne, Marshall Law tells the story of two sisters - Ros and Verity Marshall (played by Lisa McCune, popular after her seven-year run on Blue Heelers; and Alison Whyte, well known for her role on Frontline) - working at the Magistrate's Court. Ros is a Junior Prosecutor who is more interested in partying, and is having to prove her worth at the bench; while the more-experienced and overachieving Verity is now working as a barrister. Both sisters soon find themselves in for surprises.

[nittanylionstorm07]

Yeah... Really!!!!

Set in Melbourne, Marshall Law tells the story of two sisters - Ros and Verity Marshall (played by Lisa McCune, popular after her seven-year run on Blue Heelers; and Alison Whyte, well known for her role on Frontline) - working at the Magistrate's Court. Ros is a Junior Prosecutor who is more interested in partying, and is having to prove her worth at the bench; while the more-experienced and overachieving Verity is now working as a barrister. Both sisters soon find themselves in for surprises.

Oh God... save Quebec from this young female soap opera!

[fellowtraveller]

What now?

In the short term, looks like many Quebec students will have lost an entire year of school.
Since in Quebec as in all provinces tuition is heavily subsidized by taxpayers, many of those students are going to expect yet another year of subsidy to make up the time lost this year.

Personally, I think it would be an effective life lesson to let undergrads know that the fees are going up, and they get four years of subsidy so they are on their own for full price(around $20K) for the year they chose to waste.

An interesting factoid is that these fee increases have no effect on poor students since the Quebec govt increased bursaries to low income kids in conjunction with the fee increases. Only those that can afford it are getting bumped.

Edited by fellowtraveller, 26 April 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[GostHacked]

It's just human nature, GH. Especially among the young. They aren't thinking logically. They simply want what they want! They want free tuition and think all they need to do is practice a sufficiently high level of violence and it will be given to them.

They are not protesting for free tuition. They are protesting (like what happened in the UK) the huge hike in tuition fees. IN the UK the fees were raised by a factor of 3. What would cost a student 5000 would now cost that student 15000.

The issue is the same in Quebec.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/03/21/f-tuitionfees.html

Tens of thousands of students filled the streets of Montreal Thursday in a mass protest against a planned hike in tuition fees that they say will undermine Quebec's long-standing commitment to keeping university education accessible to people of all incomes.

The 75 per cent increase in post-secondary education tuition fees was included in the budget the Liberal government of Premier Jean Charest tabled Tuesday but has been anticipated for some time and had already been forecast in the 2011 budget.

The increase will see fees for Quebec residents rise by $325 a year for five years, starting in the 2012-13 academic year and continuing until 2016-2017.

They are not thinking at all about where the money will come from. They don't think about higher taxes, or old folks not getting any increase in their pensions, or even if their province went bankrupt!

You are missing the real reason which is the tuition hikes. This will make education simply unaffordable to many. How much debt are you willing to take on for the education you want?

It is the thinking of a child. Scream and holler and someone will give you a cookie! Baking those cookies or even growing wheat for flour is someone else's problem, not theirs.

It might be a good time to cull the herd to improve the gene pool.

Can they start with you?

[fellowtraveller]

This will make education simply unaffordable to many.

that is simply not factual in the context of the Quebec tuition hikes.

[Wild Bill]

Ridding this country of fascist Harperites?

Now that's something I'd wholeheartedly support.

No, ridding our gene pool of those stupid enough to think that anything they want they can have for free!

Economies don't work by magic! Government money only comes from taxes on every citizen. To give free tuition means that either more taxes must be raised or some people must get less back from the goverment. This is simple math!

What's more, violence breeds violence. For every Quebec rioter there is some pensioner trying to survive who will read about them in the paper and resent some young student who will likely eventually become a rich lawyer who wants to get his schooling for free on the pensioner's back!

So you end up with resentment within other demographics of the population. If it goes on long enough we will eventually have everyone hating everyone else!

Frankly, I resent these Quebec rioters and while you might think you just have to scold me and I'll change my mind you might find that I'm far from the only one who feels this way.

To me, they seem like spoiled, greedy leeches! Hypocrites who make capitalists like Conrad Black look like Mother Theresa! They are really just looking for a fascist state that THEY control!

[jacee]

It's just human nature, GH. Especially among the young. They aren't thinking logically. They simply want what they want! They want free tuition and think all they need to do is practice a sufficiently high level of violence and it will be given to them.

They are not thinking at all about where the money will come from. They don't think about higher taxes, or old folks not getting any increase in their pensions, or even if their province went bankrupt!

It is the thinking of a child. Scream and holler and someone will give you a cookie! Baking those cookies or even growing wheat for flour is someone else's problem, not theirs.

It might be a good time to cull the herd to improve the gene pool.

Ooooo ... the scary threats of murderous violence against protesters ... that's 'mature'

It all comes back to the G20 'austerity agenda' that's being forced down the throats of the people who have had no input, no say, while the corporate multinational industrial-military-monetary for-profit bosses tell our pathetic-excuse-for-democracy governments what to do.

Enough!

So you see Wild Bill, IT IS THE SAME STRUGGLE WORLDWIDE, and it's that common purpose, common resistance, that has. The banking-industrial complex and their puppet governments in Canada and worldwide SHAKING IN THEIR BOOTS.

So be it.
What goes around comes around ...

Edited by jacee, 26 April 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[Manny]

The Quebec government gave money to the banks? When did this happen?

As far as their provincial parties go, this is a federalist party. But the larger point is, people keep getting gouged from all sides, see their tax money getting given to the elite and people are getting fed up. No wage increases for years, for many people.

What else do you expect? Peaceful protest gets ignored, marginalized and even ridiculed.

[Manny]

Can they start with you?

No need to do anything but wait. And keep drool bucket handy...

[Boges]

It all comes back to the G20 'austerity agenda' that's being forced down the throats of the people who have had no input, no say, while the corporate multinational industrial-military-monetary for-profit bosses tell our pathetic-excuse-for-democracy governments what to do.

Universities are multinational for profit entities?

I think part of the need to raise tuition is because Universities can't keep their costs under control. How often do where hear about support worker strikes at University campuses.

[GostHacked]

You should move to the US. You would fit in quite well in the south.

You won't have to. Eventually what you see south of the 49th is going to make it's way up here. That much I can guarantee.

Trudeau did enact Martial Law to deal with that crisis.