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[Boges]

You won't have to. Eventually what you see south of the 49th is going to make it's way up here. That much I can guarantee.

Trudeau did enact Martial Law to deal with that crisis.

A 12-year-old kid brought a loaded hand gun to school recently in Toronto. So. . . I guess so.

[The_Squid]

They can hike tuition by 75%, without consequence, if at the same time they do the following:

• End all subsidies to oil companies/ financial institutions, etc.;
• Close tax loopholes that only the wealthy can take advantage of so that they pair their fair share;
• Stop bringing in migrant workers who work for less than minimum wage and take Canadian jobs because employers claim they can't find anyone to work;
• Increase the minimum wage to a reasonable level;
• Cut corporate welfare

"•Among provincial governments, the province which disburses the most amount of public money to corporations is Quebec, with over $5.4 billion in corporate welfare in 2006." http://www.fraserins...y.aspx?id=12209

Do all these things and perhaps then the students will do their part as well. But to put an unfair burden of the debt/defecit on the backs of students while still giving away billions to corporations that don't need it is going to draw a reaction.

[Boges]

I've heard that after these hikes that Quebec will still have the lowest tuition rates in the country.

[The_Squid]

I've heard that after these hikes that Quebec will still have the lowest tuition rates in the country.

Good for them. They've done very well for their students who can become professionals without a mountain of debt. Shame on the rest of Canada for not following suit. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom.

[capricorn]

I've heard that after these hikes that Quebec will still have the lowest tuition rates in the country.

And, students filing income tax get another saving by deducting tuition fees.

[Manny]

In my line of work the people in Quebec make practically half what we make in Ontario. I never could figure out why, since it seems like food and housing is just as expensive. But I don't know if it's indicative of the general level of income across the province, or just this particular case.

[Manny]

http://www.statcan.g...4151911-eng.htm

Income comparison

[jacee]

Universities are multinational for profit entities?

I think part of the need to raise tuition is because Universities can't keep their costs under control. How often do where hear about support worker strikes at University campuses.

I think part of the need to reduce tuition is to educate all Canadians.

It's not about the support staff or even the universities and colleges: It's the government that sets tuition, and it's purely political - trying to please their monetary masters, who tend to be a snobbish bunch who don't think poor students should have the 'privilege' of education.

[DFCaper]

I think part of the need to reduce tuition is to educate all Canadians.

It's not about the support staff or even the universities and colleges: It's the government that sets tuition, and it's purely political - trying to please their monetary masters, who tend to be a snobbish bunch who don't think poor students should have the 'privilege' of education.

I agree, I think Quebec should make life easier for the future upper classes by making there education cheaper. To do this, in reality the government will be adding more debt to all future Quebecers... rich and poor...

Also, they should water down Higher education to make sure that everybody can have one... haha. Anybody who wants and can handle a higher education is not prevented by getting one by tuition. The cost of lost wages is far higher. Free education means we will have to give up something else. People never appreciate free stuff more than something they pay for... Lets get Parting up at our schools...

[Boges]

I agree, I think Quebec should make life easier for the future upper classes by making there education cheaper. To do this, in reality the government will be adding more debt to all future Quebecers... rich and poor...

Also, they should water down Higher education to make sure that everybody can have one... haha. Anybody who wants and can handle a higher education is not prevented by getting one by tuition. The cost of lost wages is far higher. Free education means we will have to give up something else. People never appreciate free stuff more than something they pay for... Lets get Parting up at our schools...

Yeah it was said earlier in the thread that these increases won't affect low income students who have to take out loans.

The people that are rioting are privileged youth that just don't want to pay for their education I'd imagine.

If education is free then I predict people will go just cuz. And we see that many students are getting degrees that get them no closer to being gainfully employed than just starting work after high school.

Anyone who has HBO should watch the new series Girls. It illustrates how post-secondary education really doesn't go as far as it has in the past.

[PIK]

When quebec starts making it own money and not living off handouts from the west, then they can do what they want, but till then pay up. And the rioters, are they not just the black block hoodie idiots that are causing most of the trouble.

[Fletch 27]

This is getting insane... Its prooving to be VERY difficult to ween Quebec off of the Liberal teet.. and they havent been in power for eaons!!!!! Free this, Free that, all on the back of the rest of Canada... Close the door, jail a few student protesters under federal law and move on..

[jacee]

I agree, I think Quebec should make life easier for the future upper classes by making there education cheaper. To do this, in reality the government will be adding more debt to all future Quebecers... rich and poor...

Also, they should water down Higher education to make sure that everybody can have one... haha. Anybody who wants and can handle a higher education is not prevented by getting one by tuition. The cost of lost wages is far higher. Free education means we will have to give up something else. People never appreciate free stuff more than something they pay for... Lets get Parting up at our schools...

You fail to consider the contribution - in future taxes - of postsecondary graduates who earn about double the income of secondary grads. It' a good deal, when you look past the end of your nose instead of down it.

'Not prevented by tuition'?
Clearly you are inexperienced with poverty.

And ya, it's worth giving something up for ... corporate subsidies, corporate tax cuts, tax loopholes for the rich ... we can give those up!

Edited by jacee, 27 April 2012 - 09:34 AM.

[Boges]

You fail to consider the contribution - in future taxes - of postsecondary graduates who earn about double the income of secondary grads. It' a good deal, when you look past the end of your nose instead of down it.

'Not prevented by tuition'?
Clearly you are inexperienced with poverty.

And ya, it's worth giving something up for ... corporate subsidies, corporate tax cuts ... we can give those up!

What are the potential and/or likely earnings of someone with a Visual Arts Degree, Communications Degree, English Literature Degree, Philosophy Degree or my favourite, The Poly Sci Degree.

BoA's are actually becoming increasingly useless.

If Post-Secondary education was a guarantee of future affluence then the tuition should be considered an investment.

Edited by Boges, 27 April 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[jacee]

Close the door, jail a few student protesters under federal law and move on..

Guess you missed it ... The students are on strike until there is an acceptable settlement negotiated. The government is refusing to negotiate. The universities and colleges are very worried about losing an academic year. Harper hasn't figured out a way to 'legislate' students back to class yet. (education is a provincial jurisdiction) Charest is trying to demonize one of the student groups (divide and conquer), but the three groups are sticking together.

You can't jail people just for protesting. (freedom of speech and assembly are rights, not crimes)
I assume police are arresting those vandalizing bank windows, etc, when they can, some of whom are protesting and some may be just taking advantage of the situation.
But that won't stop the protests.
Protests are legal.

Do you have any viable suggestions?

Edited by jacee, 27 April 2012 - 10:06 AM.