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[Peeves]

Silly people. He meant Gustaf Hitler, that guy that was a member of the Niagara Divers Products. He was related to Adolf and thought Canada was going to close his export business with Adolf who had a franchise.

[msj]

You can't use present-day moral sensibilities to judge the past. O

I certainly hope we use present day moral sensibilities to judge the past.

Otherwise, we are bound to repeat the same moral failings in the future.

[Topaz]

Well, some of the public wants the PM to recieve the same treatment as Vic and so they added their thoughts of what the NDP did or didn't so. Some are very funny. http://storify.com/t...-stephen-harper

[punked]

I guess you're right:Wikipedia

But Weber, you lose.

Ordinary Canadians don't care about these finer points of CCF/NDP ideology - except that we have to pay for the debate, while suffering accusations (Quebec-bashing) that our debates also waste time/money.

As my bilingual son says, "Whatever."

Did you know a Former leader of what is now the Conservative party of Canada opposed abortion and thought people and dinosaurs wondered the earth together? There for Harper must also believe those things right?

What a dumb argument and I can believe you are pushing it.

Edited by punked, 28 April 2012 - 07:50 AM.

[eyeball]

I certainly hope we use present day moral sensibilities to judge the past.

Otherwise, we are bound to repeat the same moral failings in the future.

We often repeat them anyway given how much of society drives forward through time with it's wistful gaze fixed on the rear view mirror and the older better times they see in it's reflection.

LOOK OUT!

[nittanylionstorm07]

Did you know a Former leader of what is now the Conservative party of Canada opposed abortion and thought people and thought people and dinosaurs wondered the earth together? There for Harper must also believe those things right?

What a dumb argument and I can believe you are pushing it.

I can. I've come to believe August1991 is completely nuts.

[cybercoma]

I certainly hope we use present day moral sensibilities to judge the past.

Otherwise, we are bound to repeat the same moral failings in the future.

You can't judge a person by their decisions and choices in the past with the moral sensibilities of today because that isn't the framework they were working in. It's like all those people that bring up American figures that held slaves, as though this wasn't common practice at the time. Going into WWII wasn't a simple foregone conclusion in 1939. For instance, the United States had plenty of debate over whether or not they should get involved. More to the point, Woodsworth was guided by his religious convictions that required him to be a pacifist. Your framework for judging Woodsworth is disingenuous at best.

[PIK]

LOL What harper said must have really stung the left, as they say the truth hurts and it was the truth. Who cares what the left calls themselve ,they still are the left. And if the left had thier way , none of us would be speaking english or french. And lets not forget harper has been called a nazi by the left ever since he came along, so he throws one back at you and listen to the crying. And now the left is crying because harper had a closed door meeting with the dali lama, saying he is sucking up to the chimese by doing it. Yet chretien pretty well lived in china when he was PM and nobody could suck up to the chinese like chretien.

Edited by PIK, 28 April 2012 - 10:57 AM.

[eyeball]

LOL What harper said must have really stung the left, as they say the truth hurts and it was the truth.

The only stinging pain I'm feeling is the splitting of my sides when I laugh.

Oh no, here it comes again...Ahhh Bwahahahahahahaha!

[bush_cheney2004]

.....It's like all those people that bring up American figures that held slaves, as though this wasn't common practice at the time. Going into WWII wasn't a simple foregone conclusion in 1939. For instance, the United States had plenty of debate over whether or not they should get involved.

Slavery was an economic institution that was not settled by mere debate. The Unites States was not attacked by Germany in September 1939, and neither was any other Commonwealth nation.

Edited by bush_cheney2004, 28 April 2012 - 11:52 AM.

[The_Squid]

The only stinging pain I'm feeling is the splitting of my sides when I laugh.

Oh no, here it comes again...Ahhh Bwahahahahahahaha!

Agreed. Invoking Hitler to insult the ndp is hilarious. Shows Harper's lack of class and sense.

[msj]

You can't judge a person by their decisions and choices in the past with the moral sensibilities of today because that isn't the framework they were working in.

This is BS.

You really think that there was no one fighting against and arguing against eugenics, slavery, racism, etc in the past?

People either think the right way about something or not.

The time of when, what generation, etc... is irrelevant.

People should know better, people ought to know better, and to use the "herd instinct" as an excuse is silly.

Going into WWII wasn't a simple foregone conclusion in 1939. For instance, the United States had plenty of debate over whether or not they should get involved. More to the point, Woodsworth was guided by his religious convictions that required him to be a pacifist. Your framework for judging Woodsworth is disingenuous at best.

I'm sure you would find people back in 1939 who thought Woodsworth was a pacifistic idiot, just like many people who look back on him now seem him.

He was a PI afaic.

In fact, giving the CCF's vote I would conclude that even many in his own party thought kindly of him but wisely disagreed with him.

I agree with you, however, that going into WWII was not entirely a foregone conclusion - even Britain needed a kick in the head to realize its necessity.

[Jack Weber]

Let me guess.. He should resign?

I'm starting to believe in Shady's Harper derangement syndrome theory.

No!!!

Keep him around for a while so he can spout historically clueless (complete) nonsense so we can all laugh at him!!!!

[Jack Weber]

And JS Woodsworth was no coward. He was involved in the Winnipeg General Strike. Woodsworth opposed the war because he was a religious man that opposed all war due to his faith. If Harper's base knew anything about Woodsworth, they would be upset with the prime minister for attacking a man for his faith.

Well then J.S. Woodsworth should have stood on the beach at Normandy pleading with the NAZI's and the Allies to stop shooting at one another and to sit down and have a little chat...

In the face of pure evil,J.S. Woddsworth's pacifism is pure unadulterated cowardice dressed up as moral uprightness...

[Jack Weber]

LOL What harper said must have really stung the left, as they say the truth hurts and it was the truth. Who cares what the left calls themselve ,they still are the left. And if the left had thier way , none of us would be speaking english or french. And lets not forget harper has been called a nazi by the left ever since he came along, so he throws one back at you and listen to the crying. And now the left is crying because harper had a closed door meeting with the dali lama, saying he is sucking up to the chimese by doing it. Yet chretien pretty well lived in china when he was PM and nobody could suck up to the chinese like chretien.

By the way,we're laughing AT you...NOT with you....