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#31 Argus

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

thank goodness al gore had the balls to produce a movie exposing what greedy pig capitalists are doing to our environment. global warming caused by human activity is a FACT. it should be a crime to think otherwise. how come some people don't give a rats ass about having a clean planet. maybe these greedy pigs should start studying social justice so we can all have equal goods and rights.


Maybe the more credulous among us, who believe whatever fictitious arguments are put forth in hack movies, should examine the record and learn about all the factual errors (lies) in those movies before they start praising them.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

Maybe the more credulous among us, who believe whatever fictitious arguments are put forth in hack movies, should examine the record and learn about all the factual errors (lies) in those movies before they start praising them.


I think that's definitely a good idea. We should also count the mistakes. The handful from that movie won't compare to the ones submitted by British tabloids, Fox news, and the galaxy of bloggers and YouTube artistes who retransmit the same mistakes over and over and over again....

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:25 PM

you can't argue with deniers. the greedy capitalist western pis need to pay through their teeth to compensate africa for the damage done by the wests haphazard use of fossil fuels which is warmin the earth at an alarming rate. the pig capitalists dont care about the environment. they disgust me.


Compensate Africa? Would it not be more efficient to simply pile up the donations and set fire to them?

It would save a lot of time, considering that Africa has always just blown the money on corruption and arms.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:31 PM

Compensate Africa? Would it not be more efficient to simply pile up the donations and set fire to them?

It would save a lot of time, considering that Africa has always just blown the money on corruption and arms.


western greed and carless use of fossil fuels is why africans cant plant crops. there is corruption everywhere not just africa. why should the wests pollution keep people poor. huh?
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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:09 AM

western greed and carless use of fossil fuels is why africans cant plant crops. there is corruption everywhere not just africa. why should the wests pollution keep people poor. huh?


Actually our fake free trade with gigantic agricultural subsidies have more to do with that than pollution.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 01:09 PM

western greed and carless use of fossil fuels is why africans cant plant crops. there is corruption everywhere not just africa. why should the wests pollution keep people poor. huh?



Good point.The East's oil production too. East and West bad. South and North good. Glad we cleared that up.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 03:19 PM

western greed and carless use of fossil fuels is why africans cant plant crops. there is corruption everywhere not just africa. why should the wests pollution keep people poor. huh?



Yeah, yeah, yeah! Tell that to the Tutsi in Rwanda!

Next you will tell me that Toronto Mayor Rob Ford was responsible for that massacre...
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 02:51 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Tell that to the Tutsi in Rwanda!

Next you will tell me that Toronto Mayor Rob Ford was responsible for that massacre...

yours is a desperate... callous... reply. Your Rwanda/Ford reach has nothing to do with the heightened famine/devastation in Eastern Africa. As MLW member 'dre' highlights, there are a multitude of causes - your belittling the impacts to presume to avoid even acknowledging a partial influence of climate change induced drought is should be beneath you. The long-standing 6-7 year drought cycle has now been replaced with a yearly, bi-yearly cycle... meteorological data confirm the significant post-1960 mean annual temperature increases, confirm the frequency of hot days, confirm the post-1980 rainfall decreases. The shyte-load of related East African famine causes... sits upon a climate change induced drought foundation... regardless of your Rwanda/Ford distracting nonsense!

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:05 PM

yours is a desperate... callous... reply. Your Rwanda/Ford reach has nothing to do with the heightened famine/devastation in Eastern Africa. As MLW member 'dre' highlights, there are a multitude of causes - your belittling the impacts to presume to avoid even acknowledging a partial influence of climate change induced drought is should be beneath you. The long-standing 6-7 year drought cycle has now been replaced with a yearly, bi-yearly cycle... meteorological data confirm the significant post-1960 mean annual temperature increases, confirm the frequency of hot days, confirm the post-1980 rainfall decreases. The shyte-load of related East African famine causes... sits upon a climate change induced drought foundation... regardless of your Rwanda/Ford distracting nonsense!


Waldo, it is common knowledge that too many African governments have used foreign aid to buy guns, which have ended up in the slaughter of millions.

To focus on never-ending academic climate change arguments instead of the deaths of so many innocents seems far more callous to me. The Rwanda massacres should never have been allowed to happen. What ever happened to "Never Again!"?

I guess we all have our own priorities.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:26 PM

WB - in related Rwanda genocide discussion, I've been vocal in expressing where I personally lay principal fault; which, again, has nothing to do with the focal point of where East African drought/famine is centered - in the 'Horn of Africa' countries of Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Sudan... extending into Uganda & Kenya.

as for your expressed prioritization, dismissing climate change as a contributing factor is not factual.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:25 PM

WB - in related Rwanda genocide discussion, I've been vocal in expressing where I personally lay principal fault; which, again, has nothing to do with the focal point of where East African drought/famine is centered - in the 'Horn of Africa' countries of Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Sudan... extending into Uganda & Kenya.

as for your expressed prioritization, dismissing climate change as a contributing factor is not factual.


Please show me where in my post I even referred to climate change at all!

I simply was commenting on the futility of giving more aid money to a continent rife with corrupt, militaristic governments.

A despot is a despot, rain or shine. Giving them more money is hardly a positive solution.

Edited by Wild Bill, 01 June 2012 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:33 PM

Please show me where in my post I even referred to climate change at all!

WB, your reply was to someone emphasizing the impact of climate change on drought/famine... if your intent wasn't to dispute climate change as a factor (principal or secondary)... I humbly offer my apology.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:17 PM

WB, your reply was to someone emphasizing the impact of climate change on drought/famine... if your intent wasn't to dispute climate change as a factor (principal or secondary)... I humbly offer my apology.


No need to be humble, Waldo! :D

In the heat of debate things often get confused. Socialist seemed to be saying that the West had destroyed the climate in Africa with their rampant capitalism and therefore should give them compensation.

I was pointing out that giving them anything is a waste of time for ANY goal!

Socialist seems to blame capitalism for everything including rainy days. Anyone who has studied the history of Africa can clearly see that it is not that simple.

It's a historical fact that many African tribal chiefs sold their own people into slavery.

I'm not trying to say that historically there never were abuses from western countries, or that climate change has not caused droughts in Africa. Still, those are separate issues. One can agree the climate is changing yet have a difference of opinion if it is caused solely or mainly by industrialization. To deny the power of Mother Nature herself has always seemed arrogant in the extreme to me! Africans have caused some of their own problems, as with deforestation changing local climates.

I feel Socialist is just harping on one note, to the point perhaps of becoming unrealistic. This is not a useful approach to solve any problems.

Edited by Wild Bill, 01 June 2012 - 05:19 PM.

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

WB - in related Rwanda genocide discussion, I've been vocal in expressing where I personally lay principal fault; which, again, has nothing to do with the focal point of where East African drought/famine is centered - in the 'Horn of Africa' countries of Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Sudan... extending into Uganda & Kenya.

as for your expressed prioritization, dismissing climate change as a contributing factor is not factual.


Having been on the continent more than a few times,climate change might be a factor...That climate change is most likely exacerbated by the advancing Sahara Southward...

It is also historically instructive to note that famine isn't an uncommon thing in that region,and in 1985,was a generally "man made" famine...

I point to the exploits of one Col. Mengistu in Ethiopia and the historical nature of "man made" famine as the chosen mass motivator of Marxists...

See: The Holomodor and Chairman Mao's "Great Leap Forward"....
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:38 AM

Having been on the continent more than a few times,climate change might be a factor...That climate change is most likely exacerbated by the advancing Sahara Southward...

It is also historically instructive to note that famine isn't an uncommon thing in that region,and in 1985,was a generally "man made" famine...

the exacerbarator... or the exacerbaratee? In any case I earlier referenced the key change in what had been the more typical drought/famine cycle: a shift from a 6-7 year happening to a, now, regular yearly or bi-yearly event.

have you heard of the 'Great Green Wall'? Appears to be making inroads in Senegal... the chances for success across 11 other countries???