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[madmax]

All in the name of preserving Canada's reputation of being a compassionate nation. Just as Omar Khadr will be allowed to be reunited with his loving family.

While I would have been just as happyif Khadr has renounced his Canadian Citizenship as Conrad Black has... Khadr spent many many years in a Military Prison and the Harper Government has done as much as possible to try to prevent him from returning. He is coming because he is the last one on the island and the US needs a place for him to go.

Conrad is fast tracked into the country and is reunited with his loving Conservative Family.

Ironic since many people without a criminal record are often rejected at the border...

Whoever rules the roost gets its way.

Now your talkin...

[madmax]

Because Chretien told the Queen not to elevate Black to the Peerage, in contradiction to the advice Tony Blair had given her. Besides Chretien's pettiness, there was no reason Black couldn't have become a baron while still a Canadian citizen.

He chose his country! He chose the UK.

Some people would have chosen to remain Canadian. He is a Canadian of Convenience.

[madmax]

The bottom line is Kenney, even though he says he has nothing to do with the decision, did, because he's another Harper, IF HE wanted Black to stay out he would have overruled the decison and he didn't, so he agrees.

U mean he could have asked Bev Oda for one of her NOTS

[capricorn]

I guess the Queen didn't take it too personally, since she appointed Chretien to the Order of Merit, a rarer honour than a life peerage and a personal gift of the Queen (as opposed to honours granted on government advice), which must've earned at least a scowl of disapproval from Black.
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Good point bambino. Harper recently named Chretien to be Canada's representative to the Diamond Jubilee Trust established in honour of Queen Elizabeth. In the same vein, it can also be said that Harper doesn't take Chretien's opposition to Black's peerage appointment personally.

The Diamond Jubilee Trust is chaired by former British prime minister John Major and will be managed by a board of trustees. Chretien will serve as the Canadian representative on a Commonwealth Advisory Group now being established.

"Former prime minister Chretien is uniquely qualified to serve as Canada's representative to the Diamond Jubilee Trust," Harper said in the news release.

"Mr. Chretien is a member of the Queen's prestigious Order of Merit. His relationship with Her Majesty, which spans over 40 years, includes six official Royal Tours he hosted during his time as prime minister."

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/national/Jean+Chretien+named+representative+Queen+Diamond+Jubilee+Trust/6541026/story.html

[g_bambino]

He chose his country! He chose the UK.

He had already chosen the UK; he was a dual citizen.

[g_bambino]

Khadr spent many many years in a Military Prison and the Harper Government has done as much as possible to try to prevent him from returning.

Just like the Liberal government before this one.

Conrad is fast tracked into the country and is reunited with his loving Conservative Family.

It is a myth that Black is some kind of compatriot of Harper. I've not yet read anything by Black that shows him to be any Harper cheerleader; in fact, he is a strongly outspoken opponent of the current ministry's law and justice policies. I think the only thing he's almost guaranteed to approve of is the government's embrace of pre-1967 Canadian history.

Harper recently named Chretien to be Canada's representative to the Diamond Jubilee Trust established in honour of Queen Elizabeth. In the same vein, it can also be said that Harper doesn't take Chretien's opposition to Black's peerage appointment personally.

Which fits with my comments above.
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Edited by g_bambino, 06 May 2012 - 12:29 PM.

[madmax]

Just like the Liberal government before this one.

Perfect... Then there is no excuse for the Harper Government to hide behind...

It is a myth that Black is some kind of compatriot of Harper. I've not yet read anything by Black that shows him to be any Harper cheerleader; in fact, he is a strongly outspoken opponent of the current ministry's law and justice policies. I think the only thing he's almost guaranteed to approve of is the government's embrace of pre-1967 Canadian history.

....he is a convicted criminal... and it is a position of convenience...
But anything beyond this is pure Wente...isms....

[WWWTT]

there was no reason Black couldn't have become a baron while still a Canadian citizen.

False

The 1919 Nickle resolution clearly states that he can not.

The Nickle resolution was also re-affirmed by Lester Pearson in 68 and Brian Mulroney in 88

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[WWWTT]

That's essentially what it was. Chretien didn't like what was written about him in Black's newspapers, so he advised the Queen not to grant Black - a British citizen - a life peerage, contrary to her British prime minister's advice.

I guess the Queen didn't take it too personally, since she appointed Chretien to the Order of Merit, a rarer honour than a life peerage and a personal gift of the Queen (as opposed to honours granted on government advice), which must've earned at least a scowl of disapproval from Black.
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To me it sounds like Blair and the Queen messed up here.They both must have been very embarrassed

As well it sounds like you can not distinguish between honour and title.Or award vs title.

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[WWWTT]

In the same vein, it can also be said that Harper doesn't take Chretien's opposition to Black's peerage appointment personally.

Why would Harper be upset with Cretien for upholding the law?

WWWTT

[g_bambino]

Why would Harper be upset with Cretien for upholding the law?

And what law would that be, pray tell?

[g_bambino]

....he is a convicted criminal... and it is a position of convenience...

What?

[WWWTT]

And what law would that be, pray tell?

1919 Nickle resolution.

WWWTT

[punked]

1919 Nickle resolution.

WWWTT

Yeppers it is why we have the order of Canada and why Robert Borden was the last prime minster knighted as well.

[g_bambino]

1919 Nickle resolution.

Resolution..... Was the mechanism by which laws were passed back then different to today? Was the approval of the Senate and Royal Assent not needed back in 1919 to create a law, one that affects the Royal Prerogative, no less?

And what of the recommendations Bennett made throughout his premiership to the King to grant titular honours to Canadians? And what of the subsequent Nickle-like motion tabled in 1934 in the the House of Commons, which called for the Prime Minister (Bennett) to cease making such recommendations, and was defeated 113 to 94?

There is no law barring the granting of peerage titles (hereditary or life) or titular honours to people who hold Canadian citizenship.
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Edited by g_bambino, 06 May 2012 - 07:43 PM.