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[Topaz]

We all know about the difference in figures for the F-35, well MacKay has done it again with the mission in Libya. He reported in the House that the cost for the war was $50 Mil- 10 mil less than DND had predicted. What has been found in the DND report is it cost Canada $347.5 MILLION! 25 million for all those bombs the military dropped. So what is the Speaker going to say about this one?? http://www.edmontonj...1885/story.html

[cybercoma]

This is just getting ridiculous.

Open and transparent? Like hell.

[mentalfloss]

Taking over government is becoming a walk in the palk for the NDP.

[WWWTT]

I particularly look at the "above operating cost" for the mission that is at 100 million.

Misleading Canadians by 50 mill. is shame full!

I wouldn't trust McKay with a freekin penny!

WWWTT

[Moonlight Graham]

MacKay and the CPC gov know that Canadians aren't the most supportive of spending big dough on military toys and adventures, so of course they must lie. MacKay is a lying sack of potatoes. He's wasting even more taxpayer money having to set up committees to investigate this nonsense. Like those potatoes, he should be sacked, or resign. He works for us, not against us.

[Smallc]

This is...strange. I was a pretty big defender of MacKay, but, it's getting harder.

[Moonlight Graham]

This is...strange. I was a pretty big defender of MacKay...

Why?

[Smallc]

Why?

I always thought he was a pretty smart middle of the road guy. Now I'm not sure what to think.

[waldo]

This is...strange. I was a pretty big defender of MacKay, but, it's getting harder.

just close your eyes and let the stench waft right over you... then remember

Freedom isn’t free

[Derek L]

I always thought he was a pretty smart middle of the road guy. Now I'm not sure what to think.

Don’t lose your faith…….LOL…….I’m sure these new scathing numbers are sunk costs that we’d have paid anyway……..Let’s see……..An average of 500-600 personal deployed for just under 8 months, say each non commissioned member, using a conservative estimate, makes ~$5000 a month and each officer about ~$7000 a month……….Let’s estimate between the ships crew and air force component there’s ~50 officers and 500 non commissioned members…..So that leaves us:

5000 x 7.5 x 500 = S 18750000

7000 x 7.5 x 50 = $ 2625000

There’s 21+ million, without counting benefits, danger pay, and any supporting personal back in Canada…….Now do these “new figures” also include a portion of the operating costs of the deployed unit’s home bases? Base personal? I’d truly love to see a breakdown of both the “old” and “new” costs…..

[Bryan]

I always thought he was a pretty smart middle of the road guy. Now I'm not sure what to think.

I'd wait before passing judgement. The other opposition/MSM accusations against him so far have turned out to be false. The chances that they're telling the truth this time is so remote, it's not worth wasting time thinking about anymore. They have a knack for adding in fixed costs for gotcha effect.

[cybercoma]

See, it's the CPC. Wait until you pass judgement.

You guys are pretty transparent and your MO is pretty sad.

[waldo]

We all know about the difference in figures for the F-35, well MacKay has done it again with the mission in Libya. He reported in the House that the cost for the war was $50 Mil- 10 mil less than DND had predicted. What has been found in the DND report is it cost Canada $347.5 MILLION! 25 million for all those bombs the military dropped.

True cost of Libya mission was seven times gov't. estimate

As of Oct. 13, the figures that I've received have us well below ($60 million), somewhere under $50 million," MacKay told the CBC on Oct. 28, three days before the mission officially ended. "And that's the all-up costs of the equipment that we have in the theatre, the transportation to get there, those that have been carrying out this critical mission."

But buried in a report tabled in the House of Commons this week are Defence Department figures pegging the full cost of the mission at more than $347.5 million.

Even taking into account the Defence Department's controversial practice of only reporting "incremental costs" — those deemed to be above and beyond normal operating expenses — the mission still came in at $100 million, or almost twice what MacKay claimed.

I'd wait before passing judgement. The other opposition/MSM accusations against him so far have turned out to be false. The chances that they're telling the truth this time is so remote, it's not worth wasting time thinking about anymore. They have a knack for adding in fixed costs for gotcha effect.

I guess you haven't been following the purposeful JSFail F-35 low-ball manipulation, hey? As for Libya, can someone make sense of the OP linked quote... of the real numbers? Anyone? Are Maverick or the Goose on standby?

Don’t lose your faith…….LOL…….I’m sure these new scathing numbers are sunk costs that we’d have paid anyway……..Let’s see……..An average of 500-600 personal deployed for just under 8 months, say each non commissioned member, using a conservative estimate, makes ~$5000 a month and each officer about ~$7000 a month……….Let’s estimate between the ships crew and air force component there’s ~50 officers and 500 non commissioned members…..So that leaves us:

5000 x 7.5 x 500 = S 18750000

7000 x 7.5 x 50 = $ 2625000

There’s 21+ million, without counting benefits, danger pay, and any supporting personal back in Canada…….Now do these “new figures” also include a portion of the operating costs of the deployed unit’s home bases? Base personal? I’d truly love to see a breakdown of both the “old” and “new” costs…..

well Mav, if you're going to try to chisel away at that $347 Million "full cost" figure, your $21 Million math wizardry barely makes a dent. In any case, war hawks keep tripping over the "full cost" versus "incremental cost" thingees. Even if you want to go with "incremental costs" (the cost for personnel and equipment that would not have been incurred if there was no Canadian Forces Libyan operation), per the OP quote, the $100 million actual incremental cost figure is twice what MacKay reported to Parliament. Double the incremental cost... but hey now, what did MLW member 'Bryan' just say?

as for the source of those OP reported numbers... fully available on the National Defence and the Canadian Forces website... although I do note the page has a 'Date Modified: 2012-05-09' notation... just sayin

[Manny]

Besides "liar" and "can't count", a third option is "incompetent".

[Topaz]

Besides "liar" and "can't count", a third option is "incompetent".

OR, he knows Harper will never can him and he feels he can do whatever he wants. At least, his dad knew when to resign.