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[msj]

They kinda are.

No where in that comparison does it mention, RAM, or Speed. Also they're comparing a phone with 64 gigs of space? With cloud computing who needs 64 gigs?

You going to buy a phone looking for pixel density and the fact it's smaller (also with a smaller screen) and has a camera button? Or the fact that the App store has 25,000 more apps. (400,000 vs 425,000)

By all objective standards the GS3 is a better phone.

I recently read a review of a Samsung tablet (iirc) and the guy went on about how Samsung is finally getting it.

It isn't about the extra cores and Ghz that and GB this.

It's about how a person uses the product. And, in his review, he thinks Samsung has finally made it there (well, almost).

Unfortunately I can't find the link right now but it was a nice article because that's exactly it.

And people like you just don't get it.

The specs are meaningless to me because the i4s and the iPad do what I want them to do.

I have never had any reason to complain about the load time for anything so why would I care about the specs if that isn't a factor? Nor has memory ever been a factor. Yet, I'm supposed to be all outraged because I can't expand my memory with a microSD.

This is what I mean about what the BFD is.

I like something different from you and for which cannot be explained over a forum and without going through a comparison by actually using the two products.

At the end of the day you prefer your Samsung. Congratulations! Good for you.

I prefer iOS.

So I like something different than you. BFD.

Why do I have to be made into some Android sheep?

Why do you and MCC feel so compelled to herd Apple users into the Android system?

Do you still not understand that competition between systems (especially between open and closed systems) is good for all of us?

That means that you get what you want and I get what I want?

[msj]

The fact that you need to Sych your iProduct with iTunes is a massive pain in dealing with Apple products.

I used to think this too. In fact, that's part of the reason it took me so long to go over to Apple.

Then I started using iTunes and find it to be no problem whatsoever.

How hard is it to click on an icon, hook up your i4s, iPad, and iPod, and sync?

It isn't.

Oh, and I can do it using the wifi sync too.

Not to say that it is better than Google Play - I have no idea since I've never used that.

[Boges]

I recently read a review of a Samsung tablet (iirc) and the guy went on about how Samsung is finally getting it.

It isn't about the extra cores and Ghz that and GB this.

It's about how a person uses the product. And, in his review, he thinks Samsung has finally made it there (well, almost).

Unfortunately I can't find the link right now but it was a nice article because that's exactly it.

And people like you just don't get it.

The specs are meaningless to me because the i4s and the iPad do what I want them to do.

I have never had any reason to complain about the load time for anything so why would I care about the specs if that isn't a factor? Nor has memory ever been a factor. Yet, I'm supposed to be all outraged because I can't expand my memory with a microSD.

This is what I mean about what the BFD is.

I like something different from you and for which cannot be explained over a forum and without going through a comparison by actually using the two products.

At the end of the day you prefer your Samsung. Congratulations! Good for you.

I prefer iOS.

So I like something different than you. BFD.

Why do I have to be made into some Android sheep?

Why do you and MCC feel so compelled to herd Apple users into the Android system?

Do you still not understand that competition between systems (especially between open and closed systems) is good for all of us?

That means that you get what you want and I get what I want?

Well you sorta goaded me into it by providing those two links. I can provide several head to head reviews that have the GS3 and the GS2 for that matter to be better phones than the iPhone 4S. There are some objective standards used to rate smartphones above and beyond the feel of the OS.

Again I'm not attacking you personally for your choices to buy an apple product. But for someone, again not you! to say Apple just makes better products period, speaks to a kind of elitism that I find objectionable. People that use Apple products have that reputation.

Edited by Boges, 07 August 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[msj]

But for someone, again not you! to say Apple just makes better products period, speaks to a kind of elitism that I find objectionable. People that use Apple products have that reputation.

Of course we're elitist.

We're more likely to be one per centers than you poor Android users.

[Boges]

Of course we're elitist.

We're more likely to be one per centers than you poor Android users.

And I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to support that.

[msj]

And I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to support that.

Well, I'm not running for President so I don't have to show anyone my tax returns.

Here's a survey that looks at tablets.


However, I'm just kidding.

I think the income disparity likely comes from the age of users (people tend to earn more money in their late 30's than in their 20's) and that enterprise users prefer to use iOS over Android. Link.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Well you sorta goaded me into it by providing those two links. I can provide several head to head reviews that have the GS3 and the GS2 for that matter to be better phones than the iPhone 4S. There are some objective standards used to rate smartphones above and beyond the feel of the OS.

Again I'm not attacking you personally for your choices to buy an apple product. But for someone, again not you! to say Apple just makes better products period, speaks to a kind of elitism that I find objectionable. People that use Apple products have that reputation.

Apple fans also review products they'll never actually consider buying, part of my reason I dislike Apple users so much... This is a presents a problem of quality in the reviews. Since they look to find miniscule (often entirely subjective) flaws and blow them out of proportion to feel better about their own technological choices.

When the tech "reviewer" guy goes to complain that the number of Apps available isn't as high. Why is that a problem? Were there any GOOD apps missing? no... they don't substantiate... because all of the good apps are on both systems. 20 fart simulation apps don't make a difference when I only need 1 for the occasional stupid gag. Any good company puts the app on both software ecosystems.

My brother-in-law was recently convinced that Samsung is the better phone. took the time to use both, check the apps he wanted. He declared Samsung more intuitive and well built than iPhone.

[msj]

Apple fans also review products they'll never actually consider buying, part of my reason I dislike Apple users so much... This is a presents a problem of quality in the reviews. Since they look to find miniscule (often entirely subjective) flaws and blow them out of proportion to feel better about their own technological choices.

Cool. Can you provide a link to the research supporting this?

I would really like to know the sample size and parameters for the study to ensure this conclusion is fully supported in an objective way.

My brother-in-law was recently convinced that Samsung is the better phone. took the time to use both, check the apps he wanted. He declared Samsung more intuitive and well built than iPhone.

Sounds subjective to me.

Edited by msj, 09 August 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Well, I'm not running for President so I don't have to show anyone my tax returns.

Here's a survey that looks at tablets.


However, I'm just kidding.

I think the income disparity likely comes from the age of users (people tend to earn more money in their late 30's than in their 20's) and that enterprise users prefer to use iOS over Android. Link.

All that tells me is that iPhone is for old people who have more money and have aged enough to have a degree. But being the caddy of phones (for old people) will work against it in the future.

And that corporations prefer locked down devices (o big surprise there).

When my wife supply teaches, the teachers have iPhones but the students are obviously more Android based.

Good on Apple for getting the largest and most able to spend money group locked in. Long-term, they will have to mitigate the stigma of being "mom's phone".

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 09 August 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[msj]

All that tells me is that iPhone is for old people who have more money and have aged enough to have a degree. But being the caddy of phones (for old people) will work against it in the future.

And that corporations prefer locked down devices (o big surprise there).

When my wife supply teaches, the teachers have iPhones but the students are obviously more Android based.

Good on Apple for getting the largest and most able to spend money group locked in. Long-term, they will have to mitigate the stigma of being "mom's phone".

Sure every company has this problem.

Of course, if you look at the tablet stats then Android will have the same problem as the really really old people (45-64 - gasp!) prefer Android to iPad.

But, yes, the iPhone is more loved by the old crowd (35+).

Those grandpas!

[Boges]

Sure every company has this problem.

Of course, if you look at the tablet stats then Android will have the same problem as the really really old people (45-64 - gasp!) prefer Android to iPad.

But, yes, the iPhone is more loved by the old crowd (35+).

Those grandpas!

Well you could argue the under 35 crowd is far more tech savy meaning that long-term it's a good thing for Android.

Android has extended its lead on Apple.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/08/technology/smartphone-market-share/

Google's Android surged to a whopping 68% share of the global smartphone market last quarter. That's four times the 17% market share held by Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500), according to a Wednesday report from research firm IDC.

I think what you'll see is that people who are making the switch from another BB or non-data phones are switching to Droid more than Apple.

Now will people convert to Apple when the iPhone 5 comes out? I haven't seen anything in the rumours for the iPhone 5 that make it more marketable than comparable Android phones.

Edited by Boges, 09 August 2012 - 01:33 PM.

[msj]

Sure, and where have I claimed that Apple is #1?

I like Apple because it does what I want it to do.

Other people like Android because it does what they want it to do.

I don't really know what we are supposed to be discussing here as it's clear that you are a reasonable Android fan, I consider myself a reasonable Apple fan (who knows, I might switch when I get tired of my i4s) and MCC is an AAFF (anti-Apple fanboy fanboi).

They are all good products - some people just like different strokes.

[Boges]

Sure, and where have I claimed that Apple is #1?

I like Apple because it does what I want it to do.

Other people like Android because it does what they want it to do.

I don't really know what we are supposed to be discussing here as it's clear that you are a reasonable Android fan, I consider myself a reasonable Apple fan (who knows, I might switch when I get tired of my i4s) and MCC is an AAFF (anti-Apple fanboy fanboi).

They are all good products - some people just like different strokes.

Well this thread keeps getting bumped. We can agree to disagree and I'll be fine.

[wyly]

Apple fans also review products they'll never actually consider buying, part of my reason I dislike Apple users so much... This is a presents a problem of quality in the reviews. Since they look to find miniscule (often entirely subjective) flaws and blow them out of proportion to feel better about their own technological choices.

When the tech "reviewer" guy goes to complain that the number of Apps available isn't as high. Why is that a problem? Were there any GOOD apps missing? no... they don't substantiate... because all of the good apps are on both systems. 20 fart simulation apps don't make a difference when I only need 1 for the occasional stupid gag. Any good company puts the app on both software ecosystems.

My brother-in-law was recently convinced that Samsung is the better phone. took the time to use both, check the apps he wanted. He declared Samsung more intuitive and well built than iPhone.

ya, what does it matter how many thousands more apps one system has vs another, how many could someone possibly need...and if it isn't a free app I don't want it

[wyly]

All that tells me is that iPhone is for old people who have more money and have aged enough to have a degree. But being the caddy of phones (for old people) will work against it in the future.

And that corporations prefer locked down devices (o big surprise there).

When my wife supply teaches, the teachers have iPhones but the students are obviously more Android based.

Good on Apple for getting the largest and most able to spend money group locked in. Long-term, they will have to mitigate the stigma of being "mom's phone".

my aging wife and I have androids, young vixen daughters have BB and Iphone...