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[Signals.Cpl]

unlike you, i have no problem criticizing any empires. whether it's 'my' empire or 'your' empire.



the system is not sustainable and it's going to collapse. one of two things will happen; the u.s. will continue to decline and will no longer be able to give the same type of support, or israel will politically and financially implode. either way, the status quo will not continue for much longer.

see apartheid south africa.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Israel has been repeatedly attacked and deserves any support it can get. If you want peace in the middle east try and look at the situation in a more balanced approach rather the same old garbage of anti-Semitic propaganda. The USSR has repeatedly armed all the arab countries that have attacked Israel over the last 60 some years but because the US gives Israel support they are to blame for everything. The problems in the Middle east are not because of Israel or the US, they precede Israel's existence and America's involvement in the Middle East. The nations to blame for the disaster in the middle east are the European powers and the Arabs themselves.

[bush_cheney2004]

unlike you, i have no problem criticizing any empires. whether it's 'my' empire or 'your' empire.

You don't have an empire any more to criticize...so I guess those damn 'Merkins will just have to do. But you do have "PalestIndians"...and they want your occupation to end.

the system is not sustainable and it's going to collapse. one of two things will happen; the u.s. will continue to decline and will no longer be able to give the same type of support, or israel will politically and financially implode. either way, the status quo will not continue for much longer.

Yes it will....you sound like Yasser Arafat from over 40 years ago. Didn't pan out the way he thought.

see apartheid south africa.

South Africa's apartheid model was based on Canada's reserve system. Fact.

[American Woman]

South Africa's apartheid model was based on Canada's reserve system. Fact.

I did not know that.

[bush_cheney2004]

I did not know that.

I suppose such a charge deserves some evidence:

It is significant that South Africa came to Canada at different times since the Boer War asking and [obtaining] permission to study the Canadian system by which Indian people were controlled and managed separately from the politically dominant white population. South African took what it needed and applied it to its own situation: first to segregation, and after the Second World War to apartheid. The fundamental difference between Canada and South Africa was that Canada was interested in segregating and managing, as cheaply as possible, a population it did not want as an important source of labour. South Africa was interested in the same type of relationship, but for a people whose labour it needed and wanted cheaply.

http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=24096

[American Woman]

I suppose such a charge deserves some evidence:.....

I looked it up before responding; in fact, I checked out several sources as I had never heard this before. Interesting link, though - that's not one I had come across.

[bush_cheney2004]

I looked it up before responding; in fact, I checked out several sources as I had never heard this before. Interesting link, though - that's not one I had come across.

Well, to be fair, Canada got onboard the sanctions train in the 80's. Some people don't realize that official apartheid in South Africa was a relatively recent 20th century development, and the government methodically researched and planned its implmentation. Canada had a running reservation model with ready-made throne approval!

[DogOnPorch]

Shhhhh...

[GostHacked]

As long as US taxpayers are willing to prop up Israel, and no money out of my pocket .... fine by me.

[American Woman]

Shhhhh...

I won't tell a soul......

[bud]

i'd like to know who here is okay with canada's treatment of the natives.

bringing up the past actions of a country i live in, whether the actions are similar or not, to somehow excuse and justify the brutal actions of israel against a people is lame. you have a ridiculous habit. you're a bizarre old man.

apartheid south africa was supported by many western countries. but that slowly changed as pressure from people mounted and the reality of the oppressive actions by the south african government became too much to ignore. israel is heading towards the same fate.

no one believes palestinian land and water theft is a defensive action. americans, and young american jews specifically are starting to distance themselves from israel and u.s.' support for israel oppressive behaviour.

AIPAC may have the u.s. government by the balls right now, but that will soon change. see apartheid south africa.

sshhhhhh... don't tell a soul.

[DogOnPorch]

Well, bud...if your Arab friends hadn't said no to their slice of the Ottoman pie (paid with by Commonwealth blood) there'd be an Arab Palestine this very day. But, violence was the Arab's answer as it was numerous times post 1947.

[Signals.Cpl]

i'd like to know who here is okay with canada's treatment of the natives.

bringing up the past actions of a country i live in, whether the actions are similar or not, to somehow excuse and justify the brutal actions of israel against a people is lame. you have a ridiculous habit. you're a bizarre old man.

apartheid south africa was supported by many western countries. but that slowly changed as pressure from people mounted and the reality of the oppressive actions by the south african government became too much to ignore. israel is heading towards the same fate.

no one believes palestinian land and water theft is a defensive action. americans, and young american jews specifically are starting to distance themselves from israel and u.s.' support for israel oppressive behaviour.

AIPAC may have the u.s. government by the balls right now, but that will soon change. see apartheid south africa.

sshhhhhh... don't tell a soul.

You seem to be bent on blaming Israel for the Arabs lack of common sense and lack of desire for peace. They have on multiple occasions attacked Israel while backed by weapons from the USSR and yet you seem to find no problem with that, but you have a problem with the US providing weapons to Israel to prevent its destruction. Seems to me you are to dense to learn from history, but luckily the US government is not. Many of the Arabs are bent on Israel's destruction, and that is not going to happen at least not without the rest of the middle east going up in smoke. Stop being such a fascist anti-semite and look at the real problem.

[DogOnPorch]

To bud, Yom Kippur is a type of tasty fish.

[bud]

You seem to be bent on blaming Israel for the Arabs lack of common sense and lack of desire for peace. They have on multiple occasions attacked Israel while backed by weapons from the USSR and yet you seem to find no problem with that, but you have a problem with the US providing weapons to Israel to prevent its destruction. Seems to me you are to dense to learn from history, but luckily the US government is not. Many of the Arabs are bent on Israel's destruction, and that is not going to happen at least not without the rest of the middle east going up in smoke. Stop being such a fascist anti-semite and look at the real problem.

not sure where to start with your narrative.

first of all, how israel came to be should be acknowledged.

• are you aware that palestine's Jewish population was under 8% of the total population as of 1914?
• are you aware that in 1914 jewish land ownership in palestine was under 2%?
• despite the active British assistance to establish a "jewish national home" in palestine (based on the british commitment in the balfour declaration), palestine's jewish population in 1947 was increased to 33% of its total population.
• are you aware, in order to create a 'jewish identity', israel ethnically cleansed 80% of the palestinian population out of their homes, farms and business?
• are you aware that jewish land ownership in palestine was under 7% as of 1947?
• are you aware that the u.s. arm twisted the arms of dozens of small nations to get their support for the partitioning of palestine? for example, greece and france were threatened with a foreign aid cutoff.
• are you aware it wasn't just the arabs who rejected the partition plan, but also the world zionist congress who rejected the partition plan as well? do you know the reason? the reason was that they wanted all of palestine for themselves. that's why they have never accepted a permanent border.
• did you know that before the un partition plan in 1947, there was a peel commission plan in 1937 which was rejected by the zionist congress. how many jews would have been saved from the holocaust? why is it okay to reject the peel commission in 1937 but not okay to reject the un partition plan in 1947?

are you aware of this quote in 1938, by ben-gurion who made it clear of his support for the "jewish state" on part of palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. he wrote:

"[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)

this is just the tip of the issue, which we all need to acknowledge before going into the rest of the modern-history of the region.

there are hundreds of documented evidence and information which tell you what happened. some of the best books written by the israeli historian, benny morris, a self-proclaimed zionist.

simplistic, superficial comments such as, THE ARABS ATTACKED ISRAEL AND ISRAEL NEEDS TO DEFEND ITSELF were not true then and they're certainly not true now.

[Signals.Cpl]

not sure where to start with your narrative.

first of all, how israel came to be should be acknowledged.

• are you aware that palestine's Jewish population was under 8% of the total population as of 1914?
• are you aware that in 1914 jewish land ownership in palestine was under 2%?
• despite the active British assistance to establish a "jewish national home" in palestine (based on the british commitment in the balfour declaration), palestine's jewish population in 1947 was increased to 33% of its total population.
• are you aware, in order to create a 'jewish identity', israel ethnically cleansed 80% of the palestinian population out of their homes, farms and business?
• are you aware that jewish land ownership in palestine was under 7% as of 1947?
• are you aware that the u.s. arm twisted the arms of dozens of small nations to get their support for the partitioning of palestine? for example, greece and france were threatened with a foreign aid cutoff.
• are you aware it wasn't just the arabs who rejected the partition plan, but also the world zionist congress who rejected the partition plan as well? do you know the reason? the reason was that they wanted all of palestine for themselves. that's why they have never accepted a permanent border.
• did you know that before the un partition plan in 1947, there was a peel commission plan in 1937 which was rejected by the zionist congress. how many jews would have been saved from the holocaust? why is it okay to reject the peel commission in 1937 but not okay to reject the un partition plan in 1947?

are you aware of this quote in 1938, by ben-gurion who made it clear of his support for the "jewish state" on part of palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. he wrote:

"[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403)

this is just the tip of the issue, which we all need to acknowledge before going into the rest of the modern-history of the region.

there are hundreds of documented evidence and information which tell you what happened. some of the best books written by the israeli historian, benny morris, a self-proclaimed zionist.

simplistic, superficial comments such as, THE ARABS ATTACKED ISRAEL AND ISRAEL NEEDS TO DEFEND ITSELF were not true then and they're certainly not true now.

Are you aware you provided no sources?