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[TheNewCanadianDominion]

one thing most of us have either forgotten or chose to ignore, is that us as citizens are more powerful then our government, the government is not supposed to rule us, they are supposed to be our voice to the rest of the world. so i make this next message short and sweet.


The people must unite.
We only have one life, why not strive towards advancing the human race rather than just sit by and accept the so called "fact" that we have no control.

[Michael Hardner]

It is not a fact that we have no control, it is the opposite.

Citizens of all ethnic backgrounds, occupations, wealths, religions need to engage with each other, to read, to discuss and to think. That is the only way we will succeed.

Open Government is a movement that is trying to make that happen.

[Moonbox]

The people must unite.
We only have one life, why not strive towards advancing the human race rather than just sit by and accept the so called "fact" that we have no control.

Welcome to the forums, even if your point is kind of goofy. Fact is that people have different ideas about what's right to do. Add to that the fact that the majority of Canadians would rather watch Dancing with the Stars than to spend 20 minutes a day trying to stay informed...

[Manny]

CPC have a majority government, democratically elected by voters. That's like uniting...

[jacee]

CPC have a majority government, democratically elected by voters. That's like uniting...

The people don't agree ... 30% support and falling!

And wait till the police start laying charges for election fraud!

But I don't see Open Government as a partisan issue, though it is a political issue.
It's not about Harper or the Conservatives, but about the secrecy that all governments try to maintain in order to preserve their power.

[g_bambino]

[T]he government is not supposed to rule us, they are supposed to be our voice to the rest of the world...

Actually, the government is supposed to govern.

The people must unite.

In what way?

[Michael Hardner]

The people don't agree ... 30% support and falling!

I think this was meant to be a strawman, or maybe even 'bait'. Manny's point is apt: how do we bring people together in a country where people feel that their views are so diverse.

Note that I said that people feel that way, not that their views actually are diverse.

[eyeball]

I think this was meant to be a strawman, or maybe even 'bait'. Manny's point is apt: how do we bring people together in a country where people feel that their views are so diverse.

Feel what?

Most people I know feel screwed and overwhelmed by a secret opaque system that is rigged against them. Eventually that's what's going to unite them.

Edited by eyeball, 17 May 2012 - 08:01 AM.

[wyly]

CPC have a majority government, democratically elected by voters. That's like uniting...

a FPTP a flawed electoral system where less than 39% of the electorate can gain a majority does not unite...

[wyly]

I think this was meant to be a strawman, or maybe even 'bait'. Manny's point is apt: how do we bring people together in a country where people feel that their views are so diverse.

How? by letting every vote count, PR...you can live a lifetime in alberta and if you lean to the left never have someone represent your opinion in government...opinions are diverse in alberta as well but the electoral system stifles those who disagree, a million + albertans have never had a electoral voice and unless the electoral system changes they never will...

[Tilter]

The people don't agree ... 30% support and falling!

And wait till the police start laying charges for election fraud!

But I don't see Open Government as a partisan issue, though it is a political issue.
It's not about Harper or the Conservatives, but about the secrecy that all governments try to maintain in order to preserve their power.

Did your parents ever stop you from an act of stupidity?
Did your conscience ever stop you from a wrongful act?
Did your banker ever stop you from overspending or spending on something that was not in your best interest?
Were these restraints popular with you?
After a short period in power the NDP had, in prosperous times, stuck Ontario in a boghole of debt & foolish overspending. Harris VERY unpopular ((UNTIL ELECTION DAY)got Ontario back to prosperity.
McPremier must be a buddy of Rae's--- followed the same stupid path until the province is again in dire straits financially and McPremier is about as popular as a skunk at a picnic.
Conservative governments are unpopular till election day--- then the populace, if not too stupid (see Ontario voters) will go back to the Conservatives to get them out of the financial sinkhole into which the leftists have dumped the country or province they have so unwisely mishandled.
See how popular the NDPs & Libs (if still around) are.

[TheNewCanadianDominion]

the way i see it, we all only have one life, why the hell should we live it with so many restrictions and secrets.

i dont want to take over the world and i realize that my efforts will probably go unnoticed, but i promised myself i would spend my life trying to make a real change, basically, i think it would be cool from a universal point of view if we went extinct due to something other than ourselves.

this next part really has no bearing on the situation but it's one example of how we are being controlled.
My name is Avery Selinger, ever since i first seen the x files i started getting into both outerspace and government work, i was only 5. because of this i have always dreamed of going to space, but alas... i don't have clearance. to be honest with you, if i could go up to space right now, at the cost of my own life, i would gladly accept the price because my ultimate goal is to get off this rock. anyone can make a boat and go wandering into the ocean, but only the government can explore space.


oh and edit, i realize this was probably so hard to read lol. please forgive me, my brain is not working proper right now.

Edited by TheNewCanadianDominion, 17 May 2012 - 08:19 AM.

[jacee]

Actually, the government is supposed to govern.

They're supposed to govern in a manner that maintains the confidence of the people, not by imposing expensive and ill-thought-out repressive laws on us.

[Michael Hardner]

Feel what?

Most people I know feel screwed and overwhelmed by a secret opaque system that is rigged against them. Eventually that's what's going to unite them.

It seems to me that they're very ungrateful. There is more opportunity, more support, more freedom than any time in history and they're still complaining ?

[Michael Hardner]

How? by letting every vote count, PR...

PR has been explored to death on this forum. As I have said in the past, it's a solution without a problem and a complete overhaul at that. The same people who complain about lack of leftist voices in government would gladly take part in an overhaul that would allow centre-left coalitions to rule forever, until such a time as a far-right reaction would take root.

There's throwing the baby out with the bathwater, then there's shooting the baby first, then throwing him out....