Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo...-235355143.html
Nam all over again
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:20 PM
Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo...-235355143.html
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Nearly 50 U.S. military veterans at an anti-NATO rally in Chicago threw their service medals into the street on Sunday, an action they said symbolized their rejection of the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:12 PM
...Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead.
Iraq was not a NATO joint. Boomers will remember far more running for the Canadian border as draft dodgers.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:19 PM
Iraq was not a NATO joint. Boomers will remember far more running for the Canadian border as draft dodgers.
How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:22 PM
Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo...-235355143.html
I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.
(Damn! There it is again!)
I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.
They are children.
We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.
They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.
I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.
War is hell. War for profit is obscene.
And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:30 PM
How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?
Almost 3 million, so the 50 does not seem like a large number. Im sure we can get 50 Canadians or Americans who were ashamed to fight the Nazi's.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:30 PM
How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?
Closer to 3 million including the Guard and Ready Reserve. For most of them, medal throwing grandstanders like John Kerry are not heroes.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:31 PM
I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.
(Damn! There it is again!)
I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.
They are children.
We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.
They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.
I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.
War is hell. War for profit is obscene.
And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.
And every single one of those soldiers is a volunteer knowing full well what is expected of them and why they joined up.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:32 PM
....I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.
Any schmuck can stand up for the truth when somebody else has to fight for the right to do so.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:32 PM
I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.
(Damn! There it is again!)
I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.
They are children.
We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.
They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.
I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.
War is hell. War for profit is obscene.
And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.
We send them? The Americans, like us, are a 100% volunteer force and to call them children is a gross insult. The men and women that serve shouldn’t have the same moniker as those of the same age group that sleep in parks, interrupt classrooms, disrupt public transit etc……..The “protestors” are children and not made up of one tenth of the stuff it takes to voluntarily risk their lives for others.
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:52 PM
Yes. It's a political decision.We send them?
We should have stormed parliament instead.
My grandchildren are almost that old.... to call them children ...
What I feel is horror at the thought ... and fury
... for profit ...... for others ...
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:58 PM
Yes. It's a political decision.
Don't you get to vote?
... for profit ...
Profit is good.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:58 PM
Yes. It's a political decision.
... for profit ...
A political decision? What about if several parties from differing ends of the political spectrum agree with their use? Does this become a moral decision then?
Was the Second World war fought for profit alone?
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:02 PM
Yes. It's a political decision.
... for profit ...
So all those little girls getting and education was profit? Funny I don't remember how much Canada or the Us made out of that one. Or all those women who received rights, you know they became human beings rather then possessions. If you were a women in Afghanistan under the Taliban I would love to say you would have an opinion more like well most supporters of the Afghanistan mission but you wouldn't, mainly because you are a women and since you wouldn't even be considered a person, you opinion would be less then worthless. I would like to say that a vast majority of the Afghans want us there, unlike some of our peacekeeping missions where no one wanted us there. Plus we are actually doing more good in Afghanistan then pretty much any peacekeeping mission since world war 2 aside from Korea which was more of a peace enforcement mission.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:02 PM
Don't you get to vote?
Profit is good.
I read years back that during the mid thirties when Churchill was one of the lone members of Parliament decrying Nazi Germany and was written off as a loon, he bought a whole whack of Krupp Steel shares……..
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
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