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#121 Rick

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:45 PM

You have numbers to support this? Of course you don't, because it's not true. They've been in the minority since day one.




http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossiers/conflit-etudiant/201205/18/01-4526881-sondage-crop-la-presse-les-quebecois-en-faveur-de-la-ligne-dure.php

And if you don't speak french:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/23/tasha-kheiriddin-quebecs-silent-majority-needs-to-make-some-noise-about-protests/

Those are your sources...two pathetic right wing hacks? :lol:

Gee...I'm surprised you didn't go to Faux News north for your propaganda trifecta stats.

Yes, the support is growing with each passing day...much to your chagrin no doubt

http://www.globaltoronto.com/ontario+students+gearing+up+to+join+quebec+in+protesting+high+tuition+rates/6442648332/story.html
“This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:48 PM

Those are your sources...two pathetic right wing hacks? :lol:

Gee...I'm surprised you didn't go to Faux News north for your propaganda trifecta stats.

Yes, the support is growing with each passing day...much to your chagrin no doubt

http://www.globaltoronto.com/ontario+students+gearing+up+to+join+quebec+in+protesting+high+tuition+rates/6442648332/story.html




Its funny, they say a lot of things, but no one is clarifying whether its 2 students or 2000 students. And it comes down to this, those so called protestors are using violence to get what they want, they are terrorizing students who do not support them, they have prevented people from living their daily life. If this was a protest by tax payers to increase tuition and they used the exact same tactics you would quickly decide that you don't support them.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:27 PM

Those are your sources...two pathetic right wing hacks? :lol:

Gee...I'm surprised you didn't go to Faux News north for your propaganda trifecta stats.

Yes, the support is growing with each passing day...much to your chagrin no doubt

http://www.globaltoronto.com/ontario+students+gearing+up+to+join+quebec+in+protesting+high+tuition+rates/6442648332/story.html



No two polls, showing us that the students aren't in the majority thereby proving the claim that you pulled out of thin air wrong.

What were your sources again? Oh right: you didn't have any.

Typical forum kids. They demand proof then refuse to read it when you give it to them, and then claim you can't prove it. The most laughable part of it is that they think that "strategy" works.


Oh and BTW: you figure the French one is right wing? lol. Hilarious. I bet you just call anything right wing when you can't think of anything else right?

When a bee stings you or when coffee burns your tongue do you shake your fist and call it right wing too?

lol.

Edited by Claudius, 25 May 2012 - 09:42 PM.

There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:41 PM

Those are your sources...two pathetic right wing hacks? :lol:

Gee...I'm surprised you didn't go to Faux News north for your propaganda trifecta stats.

Yes, the support is growing with each passing day...much to your chagrin no doubt

http://www.globaltoronto.com/ontario+students+gearing+up+to+join+quebec+in+protesting+high+tuition+rates/6442648332/story.html

If you read very carefully you'll notice that this doesn't prove anything. There were already other students in other provinces who supported it; the crux is how many People in British Columbia or Ontario support it. No numbers at all, simply a story telling us what we already knew: other students and people also support it. So what? That doesn't speak to whether or not they are in the minority or majority which is something I PROVED and you RAN AWAY from.

Typical forum rats. There's nothing you can do. You can show them that 2 + 2 = 4 and they can still post back for a 1000 posts insisting that it's wrong no matter how many polls you show them, no matter how much evidence you show them, they just insist on believing whatever they want.
There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:04 PM

If you read very carefully you'll notice that this doesn't prove anything. There were already other students in other provinces who supported it; the crux is how many People in British Columbia or Ontario support it. No numbers at all, simply a story telling us what we already knew: other students and people also support it. So what? That doesn't speak to whether or not they are in the minority or majority which is something I PROVED and you RAN AWAY from.

Typical forum rats. There's nothing you can do. You can show them that 2 + 2 = 4 and they can still post back for a 1000 posts insisting that it's wrong no matter how many polls you show them, no matter how much evidence you show them, they just insist on believing whatever they want.


Shhhh, they don't like math...
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 05:47 AM

It sounds almost like a cliche, or like someone pretending to be a Socialist in order to discredit the whole philosophy.

That's along the same lines as what I first thought when I read his earliest posts; is he being ironic?

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 05:53 AM

government has the responsibility to protect and provide for all its citizens.

Protect, perhaps. But, provide? Everything? Can you present a link to any government other than those of Cuba and North Korea making such a claim about itself, please?

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 06:57 AM

Protect, perhaps. But, provide? Everything? Can you present a link to any government other than those of Cuba and North Korea making such a claim about itself, please?

Nobody said "everything" except you.

A few decades ago, this same argument, same talking points, were made in respect to making secondary school (high school) free for everyone.

At that time you could still get a good job without a high school diploma, though it was increasingly in demand.

Today you can still get a job without a postsecondary diploma/degree, but those qualifications are increasingly in demand and the jobs you get without them are not exactly careers you want to stick with.

I tried to help a young woman without a high school diploma get a job at a local burger stand. The manager just laughed and said "We have PhD students applying here." While that's a function of being in a university town, it's shocking nonetheless.

I think postsecondary education should be free too, since it is a requirement of most employers now.

It's already heavily subsidized, and not a huge step to full funding.
If we finally decided to extend full funding for secondary school for these students grandparents, it's now time to fully fund postsecondary education for this generation.

The money is there and it's our money and our decision how it should be allocated.

Why are employers recruiting skilled workers out-of-country when we're denying that training to our own kids? It makes absolutely no sense.

And the armchair pseudo-psychologists who think learning should be painful and punitive don't have the qualifications to make those judgements and often, to me, seem to be driven by some form of jealousy or resentment of youth.
Not a good justification for a major policy decision affecting the future growth of our economy and society, imo.

Do we deny youth health care because 'they have to learn to suffer'? :lol:

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:01 AM

It sounds almost like a cliche, or like someone pretending to be a Socialist in order to discredit the whole philosophy.

I hear what you're saying about shilling but are you seriously implying there is something creditable about socialist philosophy?

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:12 AM

Nobody said "everything" except you.

A few decades ago, this same argument, same talking points, were made in respect to making secondary school (high school) free for everyone.

At that time you could still get a good job without a high school diploma, though it was increasingly in demand.

Today you can still get a job without a postsecondary diploma/degree, but those qualifications are increasingly in demand and the jobs you get without them are not exactly careers you want to stick with.

I tried to help a young woman without a high school diploma get a job at a local burger stand. The manager just laughed and said "We have PhD students applying here." While that's a function of being in a university town, it's shocking nonetheless.

I think postsecondary education should be free too, since it is a requirement of most employers now.

It's already heavily subsidized, and not a huge step to full funding.
If we finally decided to extend full funding for secondary school for these students grandparents, it's now time to fully fund postsecondary education for this generation.

The money is there and it's our money and our decision how it should be allocated.

Why are employers recruiting skilled workers out-of-country when we're denying that training to our own kids? It makes absolutely no sense.

And the armchair pseudo-psychologists who think learning should be painful and punitive don't have the qualifications to make those judgements and often, to me, seem to be driven by some form of jealousy or resentment of youth.
Not a good justification for a major policy decision affecting the future growth of our economy and society, imo.

Do we deny youth health care because 'they have to learn to suffer'? :lol:


http://upi-yptk.ac.id/Ekonomi//Psacharopoulos_The-real.pdf?PHPSESSID=47e28c180b731783ea45dd3740283d5f

Explanation how much "free" higher education really costs. And you still haven't told us how you will get the money and then make an argument to use that money for "free" education rather then paying down the debt, improving healthcare, primary and secondary education, cutting down taxes or improving the military. Its a nice exercise for you to say we need free education...just as soon as one of those people I insult on a regular basis comes up with a realistic plan to accomplish this.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:09 AM

I can make assumptions too.


Your whole position is based on assumptions.

Edited by Scotty, 26 May 2012 - 10:15 AM.

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:11 AM

No they're not. The number of supporters keeps growing on a daily basis.

The only ones tired of it are Charest's Conservative friends...


There is no indication that the 'strikers' have the support of more than a small group of leftists, separatists and anti-Charest people. In other words, the demand these people are making goes against the beliefs of something over 80% of the population. Which makes the protestors anti-democratic.
It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:14 AM

I hear what you're saying about shilling but are you seriously implying there is something creditable about socialist philosophy?


I think some of the social democratic parties in Europe have performed admirably and have strong Socialist elements, but they've managed to avoid the silly trappings of rigid anti-capitalism.
It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:19 AM

Today you can still get a job without a postsecondary diploma/degree, but those qualifications are increasingly in demand and the jobs you get without them are not exactly careers you want to stick with.


If you're looking to work for somebody else, then technical training is likely a good way to go. Post-secondary general education, perhaps not so much unless you want to get into a field that needs generalists.

And self-employment is probably a good option today for the new emerging fields that are out there.


Why are employers recruiting skilled workers out-of-country when we're denying that training to our own kids? It makes absolutely no sense.



Because they don't want to train people or pay them.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:55 AM

Sure...
sedition - an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority and tending to cause the disruption or overthrow of the government

Insurrection- an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government


This article is about the legal term. For other uses, see Sedition (disambiguation).

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where the history of these legal codes has been traced, there is also a record of the change in the definition of the elements constituting sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within the study of state persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.



Peaceful protest is endorsed by any believing in democracy. What occurs during riots, Black Block attacks on businesses, or students jumping on desks and preventing others from school or other daily activities..others rights, is anarchy. It's not by any stretch acceptable in any democracy.

Further those inciting, condoning, fostering or financing such unlawful pursuits should also be charged..I.E Profs and union leaders.

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