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[Signals.Cpl]

This guys is a prime example why we need to strengthen our criminal system.


http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120525/robert-clifford-smith-life-sentence-fatal-crash-120525/20120525?hub=TorontoNewHome

Smith, 43, was being chased by police while driving a stolen van when he broadsided a car on Valentine's Day. The crashed killed 26-year-old Sara Attayee and injured five others.

Smith has been described as a serial carjacker and was convicted 193 times for thefts across the city before the fatal crash, including six involving police chases.

It is a tragedy that to lock this piece of human excrement a young women had to lose her life. And the saddest part is that this "maximum" sentence means he is eligible for parole in 10 years. This thing has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that he cannot be helped, and he will not change, I say for him and those like him we need to lock him up and throw away the keys.

[Tilter]

This master criminal needs to be locked up for life even if to safeguard a life important to him-----his own. How can a person of his mental capacity live long enuf to have 193 convictions. How could he have lived 43 years without poisoning himself eating asphalt because he thot it was licorice or, say unset concrete because it reminded him of Oatmeal. He's the type of guy will get out of a car going 70 mph to see why the front wheel is wobbling.
Give him a Darwin award--- and if Darwn's theory is true, that the species improves & adapts more each generation, I have to wonder how his father manage to live to puberty without having a headbutting contest with a moving locomotive

Edited by Tilter, 26 May 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[Michael Hardner]

This guys is a prime example why we need to strengthen our criminal system.

An 'example' means an instance or illustration, in this sense.

So, what does it show us ? All we really know from this is that this happened, that the guy had been convicted of other things many times before, and that he'll get out in ten years. Is that enough of an reason for us to redesign the system ?

[guyser]

An 'example' means an instance or illustration, in this sense.

So, what does it show us ? All we really know from this is that this happened, that the guy had been convicted of other things many times before, and that he'll get out in ten years. Is that enough of an reason for us to redesign the system ?

No it is not.

Whats funny is those who continually rant against the justice system in this country never seem to pipe up about the good sentences handed down for the overwhelmingly vast majority of cases.

They take a one off and apply it to the whole system.

[dre]

An 'example' means an instance or illustration, in this sense.

So, what does it show us ? All we really know from this is that this happened, that the guy had been convicted of other things many times before, and that he'll get out in ten years. Is that enough of an reason for us to redesign the system ?

No you need to look objectively at the numbers and statistics, and not engage in knee jerk reactionism over the odd emotionally shocking outcome.

[Signals.Cpl]

An 'example' means an instance or illustration, in this sense.

So, what does it show us ? All we really know from this is that this happened, that the guy had been convicted of other things many times before, and that he'll get out in ten years. Is that enough of an reason for us to redesign the system ?

He has led an unproductive life(at least from society's point of view) of crime, which ended a young women's life. The judge threw the book at him and it didn't seem much like justice. This is one of many examples as to why we need a complete overhaul of our justice system.

[Signals.Cpl]

No it is not.

Whats funny is those who continually rant against the justice system in this country never seem to pipe up about the good sentences handed down for the overwhelmingly vast majority of cases.

They take a one off and apply it to the whole system.

Such as? A life sentence for murder which does not mean life?

I mean This sure comes to mind when I think justice, makes me feel all warm and cuddly knowing this guy is behind bars for life:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/03/19/graham-james-sentence.html

Or the many other proper sentences handed out.

[WWWTT]

Its funny how many people think/feel that our justice system can somehow change how some people think or how they choose to live.

The one example used here does sound like the system failed.And there probably is room for improvement.

But I seriously doubt that our justice system alone can solely solve all of the problems or prevent everyone from falling into a criminal lifestyle.

Its also odd that when a banker or broker falls into a criminal lifestyle and bilks seniors out of millions of dollars and creates incredible hardship then somehow our justice system is fine??

WWWTT

[guyser]

Such as? A life sentence for murder which does not mean life?

Probably best one know what they are talking about before posting.

Best read up on what constitutes a life sentence in Canada.

Guess what? It means life.

Class over.

[Canuckistani]

Punishment doesn't work - it doesn't prevent crime. Better would be to focus on rehabilitation, giving guys like this support to find a better way to live. But I do agree with long sentences for serious/crimes, repeat offenders, except that they would be given closely monitored parole (much more closely than now) for a long time after leaving prison. If, with support, they can fly the straight and narrow, good. If not, they go back to prison and get another chance after some time. Some people of course should never be let out of prison, but those are pretty rare.

[guyser]

Its also odd that when a banker or broker falls into a criminal lifestyle and bilks seniors out of millions of dollars and creates incredible hardship then somehow our justice system is fine??

WWWTT

This is one area of justice in Canada that I think we fail at.

But that is not the Justice system at fault, it is Parliament not advocating and passing harsher laws to deal with it.

Boilerooms, white collar financial crime can be a hardship that is very tough to recover from the victims standpoint.

Not to diminish physical pain, but frankly go ahead and break my nose. I will be fine in a week. Take all my money and thats going to hurt me more.

[Signals.Cpl]

Probably best one know what they are talking about before posting.

Best read up on what constitutes a life sentence in Canada.

Guess what? It means life.

Class over.

Life sentence with possibility of parole in 25 year/=life sentence.

life sentence with out parole==life sentence...

NOW the class is over kiddo

[guyser]

Life sentence with possibility of parole in 25 year/=life sentence.

life sentence with out parole==life sentence...

NOW the class is over kiddo

I kind of figured you would post again without learning.

You are not only wrong, but dead wrong. Want to try a third time?

Edited by guyser, 26 May 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Signals.Cpl]

Punishment doesn't work - it doesn't prevent crime. Better would be to focus on rehabilitation, giving guys like this support to find a better way to live. But I do agree with long sentences for serious/crimes, repeat offenders, except that they would be given closely monitored parole (much more closely than now) for a long time after leaving prison. If, with support, they can fly the straight and narrow, good. If not, they go back to prison and get another chance after some time. Some people of course should never be let out of prison, but those are pretty rare.

At some point it stops being punishment, and it starts being prevention. I don't want this guy punished, I want him off the streets so that next time its not me or my family or friends in the car he destroys. He has shown that he is not and cannot be a productive member of society, how many chances does a POS like this have? 2 or 3 or 40? This guy's life has been nothing but a long crime spree.

[Signals.Cpl]

I kind of figured you would post through ignorance once again.

You are not only wrong, but dead wrong. Want to try a third time?

Prove it?