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[Jack Weber]

Social justice means equality for all. all people have equal access to goods and services. all people do their part to save the environment. there are no rich and no poor. everyone is in the middle and happy. there is no crime no poverty. no one thumbs their nose at the poor/

Ah...

So,at least to you,"social justice" is some sort of warped Marxist utopia???

[socialist]

Ah...

So,at least to you,"social justice" is some sort of warped Marxist utopia???

whats warped about it. that would be a great country to live in.

[Jack Weber]

whats warped about it. that would be a great country to live in.

Could you point out where Marx' theories go horribly wrong?

[socialist]

Could you point out where Marx' theories go horribly wrong?

because people deviated from true marxism. thats why it went wrong.

[Jack Weber]

because people deviated from true marxism. thats why it went wrong.

Would it possibly be because Marx and Dr. Engels didn't factor in some serious flaws in humanity?

ie.mankinds lust for power and control?

In otherwords,Marxism is infantile because it doesn't take these things into account?

Edited by Jack Weber, 26 May 2012 - 08:03 PM.

[Signals.Cpl]

because people deviated from true marxism. thats why it went wrong.

Is this what they teach high school kids this days?

[socialist]

Is this what they teach high school kids this days?

john dewey the grandfather of public education knew the truth. too bad you wont.

Edited by socialist, 26 May 2012 - 08:36 PM.

[Signals.Cpl]

john dewey the grandfather of public education knew the truth. too bad you wont.

Wow high school has changed since I graduated... Hope you are enjoying it, when you get some real life experience it will hurt...

Edited by Signals.Cpl, 26 May 2012 - 08:42 PM.

[socialist]

Wow high school has changed since I graduated... Hope you are enjoying it, when you get some real life experience it will hurt...

im done high school.

[Signals.Cpl]

im done high school.

I highly doubt that... Kid, you have to learns something, even over the internet people can tell your age simply by how immature you act. $20 says you are no older than 16.

[socialist]

I highly doubt that... Kid, you have to learns something, even over the internet people can tell your age simply by how immature you act. $20 says you are no older than 16.

all the money in the world says im 22

[Signals.Cpl]

all the money in the world says im 22

16, not a day older than that.

[Moonlight Graham]

Would it possibly be because Marx and Dr. Engels didn't factor in some serious flaws in humanity?

ie.mankinds lust for power and control?

In otherwords,Marxism is infantile because it doesn't take these things into account?

I doubt when Marx called for a "dictatorship of the proletariat" he had Stalin and Mao in mind, or maybe even a "dictatorship" in the literal modern sense at all. Some of those serious flaws in humanity include twisting a theory a little bit in order to consolidate absolute power.

IMO it would be interesting to see communism tried in a country minus the totalitarian dictator part.

[bleeding heart]

How about you come back later and try this thread again without sounding like a know-it-all pompous ass?

So basically you want us to tell you what we think social justice is so you can tell us how wrong we are. Nice.

Exactly. Since the correct answer can only be a direct repetition of the poster's own views, there's no actual desire for a discussion here.

[bleeding heart]

I doubt when Marx called for a "dictatorship of the proletariat" he had Stalin and Mao in mind, or maybe even a "dictatorship" in the literal modern sense at all. Some of those serious flaws in humanity include twisting a theory a little bit in order to consolidate absolute power.

IMO it would be interesting to see communism tried in a country minus the totalitarian dictator part.

Whether or not it could ever work--and I have my doubts like almost everybody else--you make a good point. The Soviet revolutionaries despised Lenin-Trotsky, worried about authoritarianism. Correctly, as we see. There were supposed to be Worker's Councils (quickly dismantled by the dictators, as it turned out), grass-roots democratic groups, the whole bit.