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[DogOnPorch]

Or had a late father in-law in the SADF

Meh...it wouldn't hold-up in any regular court. Either way, nukes have a shelf life. I've always suspected Israel has built a large stationary Cobalt Bomb for those 'End Dayz'. But, what do I know?

Israel: If we're going...we're ALL going.

Edited by DogOnPorch, 05 June 2012 - 06:08 PM.

[Derek L]

Meh...it wouldn't hold-up in any regular court. Either way, nukes have a shelf life. I've always suspected Israel has built a large stationary Cobalt Bomb for those 'End Dayz'. But, what do I know?

Like the Shimshon option?

[DogOnPorch]

Like the Shimshon option?

A large cobalt device could dust the entire planet with the radioactive isotope cobalt-60 which has a rather intense half-life of about 5 years. It would remain dangerous for much longer than that, of course. A long time to hold one's breath.

[Peeves]

Yet somehow, the ignorant among us don't live in terror of being nuked by the servants of Allah. Even Glenn Beck hasn't yet convinced us, and he's on th' T.V.!

Servants of Allah. That is a dilemma. Who are they? There seems no definitive answer.
Apparently Muslims can't agree on the question. Westerners sure don't. Sectarian divisions are quite numerous. Cultural distinctions varied. Theocracies, secular governments, Kings and revolutions quite common. Servants of Allah. Which Allah? Which servants?

[bleeding heart]

Servants of Allah. That is a dilemma. Who are they? There seems no definitive answer.
Apparently Muslims can't agree on the question. Westerners sure don't. Sectarian divisions are quite numerous. Cultural distinctions varied. Theocracies, secular governments, Kings and revolutions quite common. Servants of Allah. Which Allah? Which servants?

These questions are reasonable, and are fair questions. But they extrapolate out, thematically, to everyone.

Who are Canadians? People who overthrow democratically-elected leaders against the soveriegn will of the people? Who are Americans? Supporters of State terror, responsible for more deaths in a single case than Hamas and Hezbollah combined...multiplied? Who are the British? (Their tale of murder and plunder doesn't even need to be spelled out, even as they imply a celebration of it during the current Jubilee.).....

And so on.....

[GostHacked]

Good deal!

We already can get oil from the middle east, but it would be great if we could get our glass there too!

I don't think my office chair can handle me bailing it out of it like that again. Wonder what the quality of said glass would be like. I lol'd good on that Dre.

[GostHacked]

A large cobalt device could dust the entire planet with the radioactive isotope cobalt-60 which has a rather intense half-life of about 5 years. It would remain dangerous for much longer than that, of course. A long time to hold one's breath.

When did Israel acquire cobalt devices?

[DogOnPorch]

When did Israel acquire cobalt devices?

From yer mamma's Danish Blue plate collection.

[Derek L]

When did Israel acquire cobalt devices?

Nobody has a cobalt bomb………But Israel has the next best thing {Neutron Bomb}.


And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. ~ Obadiah 1:18

[bud]

And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. ~ Obadiah 1:18

bible thumping war mongers are funny people.

[Peeves]

These questions are reasonable, and are fair questions. But they extrapolate out, thematically, to everyone.

Who are Canadians? People who overthrow democratically-elected leaders against the soveriegn will of the people? Where when how and who pray tell?


Who are Americans? Supporters of State terror, responsible for more deaths in a single case than Hamas and Hezbollah combined...multiplied?
You compare a country that stood in two wars against an aggressor and protected Europe from a threat with rabble of terrorists that engage in civilian terror? You compare a nation, a democracy with a secular group of murderers?
If you wish to compare the America ,sorry, American(s) to a collective of other state terrors, let it be on a level ground. Compare American(s) to Syria, Egypt, The Sudan, the USSR, China, Turkey, Germany,

Who are the British? (Their tale of murder and plunder doesn't even need to be spelled out, even as they imply a celebration of it during the current Jubilee.)..
...Those that brought democracy and law to much of the world through an Empire. Those that voluntarily left those other countries to their own elected governments.
Compare the British to their contemporaries of the time. Did the Spanish treat the Incas as well as the Brits did the East Indians? Did Russia the Ukrainians. Did France the Algerians.Did the hordes of Mongols,the Muslim ravagers deserve accolades? Nope the Brits above all for all their inequities were superior in comparison.

And so on.....today where Islamic countries continue to restrict free speech,free press, apply draconian laws and subjugate their people yet there are those that constantly and blatantly judge only the Western democracies.

[bleeding heart]

Peeves:

Me: Who are Canadians? People who overthrow democratically-elected leaders against the soveriegn will of the people?

You: Where when how and who pray tell?

Haiti, 2004, at gunpoint, and with the Americans and the French.

You didn't even know this vital bit of Canadian history--that we were involved in the illegal overthrow of a democratically-elected leader, less than a decade ago?

Me: Who are Americans? Supporters of State terror, responsible for more deaths in a single case than Hamas and Hezbollah combined...multiplied?


You: You compare a country that stood in two wars against an aggressor and protected Europe from a threat with rabble of terrorists that engage in civilian terror? You compare a nation, a democracy with a secular group of murderers?

Everything you say here is completely irrelevant, and beside the point.

I see you're blindly hypersensitive when someone points out the terrorist behaviours of your favoured heroes. Understandable, I guess, but weak.

When the US explicitly (ie openly, unequivocally) gave the go-ahead for Indonesia's invasion of East Timor, and then made the 25-years of state terror possible through continued arms supplies (with the help of other Western powers, acting the noble humanitarians) they were perfectly and intentionally involved in terrorism, of the most serious sort; a long-term violent oppression which killed perhaps a third of the E. Timorese population.

Do you really, really want to behave as apologist for illegal invasions, mass murder, and attempted genocide, Peeves? Consider it first, and save your reflexive sanctimony for subjects which you've actually looked into.

let it be on a level ground. Compare American(s) to Syria, Egypt, The Sudan, the USSR, China, Turkey, Germany,

????

Why, what do you mean? What in the world are you talking about?

I'm not defending any of the terrible behavuiours of anyone you mentioned.

You're the only one being defensive here...because everyone doesn't moan in pleasure at the magnificence of the state terrorists you admire.

Me: Who are the British? (Their tale of murder and plunder doesn't even need to be spelled out, even as they imply a celebration of it during the current Jubilee.)..


You: ...Those that brought democracy and law to much of the world through an Empire. Those that voluntarily left those other countries to their own elected governments.

I'm aware of the conventional pieties, Peeves.

However, your point is becoming clear: we should focus on what we and our allies do right, and totally ignore their massive criminalities in other realms.

Hell, you don't even wish to think about what we and our heroic allies have done wrong...and when I say wrong, I'm talking serioius wrongs, not "mistakes" in the usual formulation spawned by doctrinal necessity and moral cowardice.

Compare the British to their contemporaries of the time.

This is nonsensical. And why not compare the contemporary British to their contemporary counterparts? Say, the East Timorese whom the British helped murder?

Nope the Brits above all for all their inequities were superior in comparison.

So what? Where am I defending Spain's behaviour in Latin America?

????

You're desperate...and desperately wishing to justify terrible crimes, because, for example, "Spain behaved worse with the Incas."

d so on.....today where Islamic countries continue to restrict free speech,free press, apply draconian laws and subjugate their people yet there are those that constantly and blatantly judge only the Western democracies.

I judge the Western Democracies for what they do wrong; in fact, it's elementary morality (as well as a bedrock of democratic principle) that we should be more concerned with our own wrongdoing than to focus laserlike on the crimes of official enemies...in lieu of self-criticism.

Unbelievable. The indoctrination is evidently robust, and "healthy," albeit within lunatic parameters.

[punked]

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120603/DEFREG04/306030007/Israel-Arming-German-Supplied-Subs-Nukes-Report?odyssey=nav|head



Israel has nukes. If not, we need to find out what country is violating the NPT.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14448


Looks like the USA is violating it's own policies and laws providing assistance to a nuclear armed country that is NOT signed onto the NPT.
http://www.usaid.gov/policy/ads/faa.pdf


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment


Well, we can now at least dispense the notion that Israel does not have nuclear weapons. It does not matter if they build them themselves or if and how they acquired them. This specific items seems to talk about nuclear enrichment, but not possession of nuclear weapons.

But this concludes that Israel does indeed have nuclear weapons.

Jimmy Carter already said Israel has nukes and the US gave them to them.

[DogOnPorch]

Jimmy Carter already said Israel has nukes and the US gave them to them.

Got a ref on that one?

[Peeves]

Jimmy Carter already said Israel has nukes and the US gave them to them.

Jimmy Carter for any reference beyond growing nuts is simply .. wellllllllll nuts.