Me: Who are Canadians? People who overthrow democratically-elected leaders against the soveriegn will of the people?
You: Where when how and who pray tell?
Haiti, 2004, at gunpoint, and with the Americans and the French.
You didn't even know this vital bit of Canadian history--that we were involved in the illegal overthrow of a democratically-elected leader, less than a decade ago?
Me: Who are Americans? Supporters of State terror, responsible for more deaths in a single case than Hamas and Hezbollah combined...multiplied?
You: You compare a country that stood in two wars against an aggressor and protected Europe from a threat with rabble of terrorists that engage in civilian terror? You compare a nation, a democracy with a secular group of murderers?
Everything you say here is completely irrelevant, and beside the point.
I see you're blindly hypersensitive when someone points out the terrorist behaviours of your favoured heroes. Understandable, I guess, but weak.
When the US explicitly (ie openly, unequivocally) gave the go-ahead for Indonesia's invasion of East Timor, and then made the 25-years of state terror possible through continued arms supplies (with the help of other Western powers, acting the noble humanitarians) they were perfectly and intentionally involved in terrorism, of the most serious sort; a long-term violent oppression which killed perhaps a third of the E. Timorese population.
Do you really, really
want to behave as apologist for illegal invasions, mass murder, and attempted genocide, Peeves? Consider it first, and save your reflexive sanctimony for subjects which you've actually looked into.
let it be on a level ground. Compare American(s) to Syria, Egypt, The Sudan, the USSR, China, Turkey, Germany,
Why, what do you mean? What in the world are you talking about?
I'm not defending any of the terrible behavuiours of anyone you mentioned.You're
the only one being defensive here...because everyone doesn't moan in pleasure at the magnificence of the state terrorists you admire
Me: Who are the British? (Their tale of murder and plunder doesn't even need to be spelled out, even as they imply a celebration of it during the current Jubilee.)..
You: ...Those that brought democracy and law to much of the world through an Empire. Those that voluntarily left those other countries to their own elected governments.
I'm aware of the conventional pieties, Peeves.
However, your point is becoming clear: we should focus on what we and our allies do right, and totally ignore their massive criminalities in other realms.
Hell, you don't even wish to think about
what we and our heroic allies have done wrong...and when I say wrong, I'm talking serioius wrongs, not "mistakes" in the usual formulation spawned by doctrinal necessity and moral cowardice.
Compare the British to their contemporaries of the time.
This is nonsensical. And why not compare the contemporary
British to their contemporary
counterparts? Say, the East Timorese whom the British helped murder?
Nope the Brits above all for all their inequities were superior in comparison.
So what? Where am I defending Spain's behaviour in Latin America?
You're desperate...and desperately wishing to justify terrible crimes, because, for example, "Spain behaved worse with the Incas."
d so on.....today where Islamic countries continue to restrict free speech,free press, apply draconian laws and subjugate their people yet there are those that constantly and blatantly judge only the Western democracies.
I judge the Western Democracies for what they do wrong; in fact, it's elementary morality (as well as a bedrock of democratic principle) that we should be more
concerned with our own wrongdoing than to focus laserlike on the crimes of official enemies...in lieu of self-criticism.
Unbelievable. The indoctrination is evidently robust, and "healthy," albeit within lunatic parameters.
“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."
--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007