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[Peeves]

Now I'm usually a sensitive fellow. I tend to give reasonable requests consideration. However, I'm going to suggest that since so many followers of Islam, including Imams, Mullahs and Islamic associations,have repeatedly stated categorically that 'A Muslim would not do that thing" (I confess to taking a bit of license here), and, "These murderers are not Muslims, they're not following the Koran, they're just criminals...NOT MUSLIMS!"

Then whether it's an Islamic holy day should not be an issue....? Right???


So how in hell can a consideration " to Respect the Religious Observances of Enemy Prisoners under Common Article 3." be at issue?

I strongly suggest that no religious person would commit such an act. My opinion seems to be the opinion of practicing peaceful followers of Islam. So the issue of "RESPECT" is moot!

http://jewishworldreview.com/0712/postpone_hearings_ramadaan.php3


EXCERPT:

Lawyers for accused Sept. 11 attacks mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his four co-defendants are seeking to postpone their Aug. 8-12 hearing at Guantanamo, noting it falls toward the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.


The trial judge, Army Col. James Pohl, set the date for the hearing in May and specifically ruled out an extension on grounds that it coincided with Islam's fasting month. He noted in his order then that no defense lawyer at that point had raised objection to a hearing that coincided with Ramadan.


But the attorneys do just that in a June 21 filing currently under seal on the Pentagon's war court website entitled "Joint Defense Motion for the Military Commission to Respect the Religious Observances of Enemy Prisoners under Common Article 3."

Edited by Peeves, 11 July 2012 - 08:33 AM.

[Michael Hardner]

We allow for religious freedom, and extremists do not. That's how you should think of this question.

[Peeves]

We allow for religious freedom, and extremists do not. That's how you should think of this question.

Really? I think of the question as a Muslim might, insulted if they're accorded religious rights after acting as terrorists in the name of Mohammad.

Why would we insult Muslims by recognizing these criminals as followers of Islam.

Think about that.

[American Woman]

Really? I think of the question as a Muslim might, insulted if they're accorded religious rights after acting as terrorists in the name of Mohammad.

Why would we insult Muslims by recognizing these criminals as followers of Islam.

Think about that.

That's a good thought, actually. Since it's been made clear by mainstream Muslims that the terrorists are not following Muslim law, respect for their religious beliefs should not be a requirement to Muslims.

[jacee]

Would a Christian have to attend court on a Christian holy day?

Nope ... Courts are closed.

[American Woman]

Would a Christian have to attend court on a Christian holy day?

Nope ... Courts are closed.

You're missing the point.

[kraychik]

Really? I think of the question as a Muslim might, insulted if they're accorded religious rights after acting as terrorists in the name of Mohammad.

Why would we insult Muslims by recognizing these criminals as followers of Islam.

Think about that.

That's a really good point. We can build up on it and demonstrate the hypocrisy of certain Muslim groups as well, considering that on the one hand they will state that the terrorists are "unIslamic", while stopping short of excommunicating them (although there is no such thing in Islamic doctrine). Later, they are distressed when these terrorists are perceived to have had their freedom to religious expression curbed. The first example that comes to mind for me was the outrage we saw from certain Muslim groups over Osama Bin Laden's lack of access (for lack of a better word) to a proper Islamic burial. So they sort of imply that these Muslim terrorists aren't Muslims, and then freak out when these Muslim terrorists aren't accommodated in every dimension for their religious desires.

[kraychik]

Would a Christian have to attend court on a Christian holy day?

Nope ... Courts are closed.

Ramadan is an entire month, and I don't think there is a religious prohibition against having a hearing if one is accused during business hours. I could be wrong, but it looks like these Muslim terrorists are trying to exploit the value of "religious tolerance" and makes fools of us by leveraging the left to their advantage.

This reminds me of a deliciously ironic story I came across not long ago about a leftist-feminist journalist who was charged with a "hate crime" in the UK after assisting what appeared to be a religious Muslim woman dressed with a hijab unloading groceries onto the the checkout conveyor belt with the cashier. Apparently she was with her husband, who wasn't assisting her (lack of chivalry!). Well, this leftist-feminist journalist wasn't going to stand by and allow this chauvinist oppression to continue unabated, so she chastised the husband and invited herself to begin assisting the Muslim woman load her groceries for scanning. The Muslim woman and her husband protested, and began to accuse this benevolent leftist-feminist journalist of racism. Hilariously, the leftist-feminist journalist lady was charged with a "hate crime".

'I thought the innocent were protected ... it's been a hard lesson': Celebrity photographer kicked by Muslim woman she tried to help tells of pain at being charged as a racist.

[gunrutz]

Would a Christian have to attend court on a Christian holy day?

Nope ... Courts are closed.

Thats a good point, sort of. But as someone who is technically a christian, i don't care if christian terrorists are executed on easter. The fact that our holidays and our work week is set in part due to christian values isn't really the point since most people no longer view Sunday as the lords day.

[guyser]

Cool story bro !

This reminds me of a deliciously ironic story I came across yada yada yada...protested, and began to accuse this benevolent leftist-feminist journalist of racism. Hilariously, the leftist-feminist journalist lady was charged with a "hate crime".

'I thought the innocent were protected ... it's been a hard lesson': Celebrity photographer kicked by Muslim woman she tried to help tells of pain at being charged as a racist.

Whats the link for? Your read on the story might as well be about the cost of eggs considering you either 1) didnt read your own link or 2) you just like making things up.

Lets go with #2 shall we? There is enough proof since you've arrived.

Edited by guyser, 11 July 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[cybercoma]

We allow for religious freedom, and extremists do not. That's how you should think of this question.

That and we also allow due process, and extremists do not. Therefore, these murderers are not actually murderers until they've had their trial, made their cases, and it's proven they were responsible before a court of law. In other words, denying an innocent person (innocent until proven guilty) their right to religious observance is unconstitutional. Even if they were convicted, they would be allowed to observe these things in prison.

[kraychik]

That and we also allow due process, and extremists do not. Therefore, these murderers are not actually murderers until they've had their trial, made their cases, and it's proven they were responsible before a court of law. In other words, denying an innocent person (innocent until proven guilty) their right to religious observance is unconstitutional. Even if they were convicted, they would be allowed to observe these things in prison.

Actually, whether or not they are murderers isn't contingent on them having a trial, or what a jury or judge determines to be their guilt or lack of guilt after a trial. A trial will determine whether they are convicted of murder or not, but it cannot change what they've done (or didn't do, if you think they're not guilty). Being a murderer isn't always the same thing as being a convicted murderer. Conversely, some convicted murderers are not murderers, having been falsely convicted.

[jacee]

Ramadan is an entire month, and I don't think there is a religious prohibition against having a hearing if one is accused during business hours. I could be wrong, but it looks like these Muslim terrorists are trying to exploit the value of "religious tolerance" and makes fools of us by leveraging the left to their advantage.

This reminds me of a deliciously ironic story I came across not long ago about a leftist-feminist journalist who was charged with a "hate crime" in the UK after assisting what appeared to be a religious Muslim woman dressed with a hijab unloading groceries onto the the checkout conveyor belt with the cashier. Apparently she was with her husband, who wasn't assisting her (lack of chivalry!). Well, this leftist-feminist journalist wasn't going to stand by and allow this chauvinist oppression to continue unabated, so she chastised the husband and invited herself to begin assisting the Muslim woman load her groceries for scanning. The Muslim woman and her husband protested, and began to accuse this benevolent leftist-feminist journalist of racism. Hilariously, the leftist-feminist journalist lady was charged with a "hate crime".

'I thought the innocent were protected ... it's been a hard lesson': Celebrity photographer kicked by Muslim woman she tried to help tells of pain at being charged as a racist.

Supercilious biatch got what she deserved.
She could have helped (or not) without the judgemental and condescending comments. None of her damned business how couples choose to split their domestic duties ... and I'll bet she wouldn't have even noticed if not for the hijab, so it was racially motivated.

She's not a "benevolent" feminist but an aggressive and intolerant one.
True feminism is about a woman's right to CHOOSE how to live her own life, NOT how to toe the 'feminist' line.

Obviously this is just another of mapleleafweb's virulently anti-Muslim threads.

[jacee]

Thats a good point, sort of. But as someone who is technically a christian, i don't care if christian terrorists are executed on easter. The fact that our holidays and our work week is set in part due to christian values isn't really the point since most people no longer view Sunday as the lords day.

Irrelevant.

Point is the Muslims in question are being criticized by the OP and other posters in this thread for requesting a religious consideration that is already afforded to Christians.

It's just another racist thread.

[DogOnPorch]

Irrelevant.

Point is the Muslims in question are being criticized by the OP and other posters in this thread for requesting a religious consideration that is already afforded to Christians.

It's just another racist thread.

Islam is a religion and a political ideology...not a race. Should Islam be protected from all forms of criticism?

Edited by DogOnPorch, 11 July 2012 - 03:41 PM.