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#1 kraychik

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:06 AM



There's so much to unravel with this recent dishonest smear from Obama's campaign. Let's start with the campaign's coordination with friendly leftist news outlets (including CNN, MSNBC, NPR, CBS, ABC, and the New York Times) to carpet bomb much of the mainstream media with the message of Romney being dishonest about his tenure with Bain Capital, citing an old Boston Globe article citing SEC filings that listen Romney as the CEO of Bain Capital until sometime in 2002, three years after Romney stated he left Bain Capital in 1999. What the leftists in the media are hoping is that their audience is ignorant about how certain people often sit on boards after their real work with the organisation is complete, for various reasons.

In John King's own words after the 2:30 mark in the video, "they (the Romney campaign) say that he (Romney) left in February 1999, but it took almost two years to have the new management team put in place and that they are required by law until that new team is in place to list Mitt Romney. Is there any evidence, Anderson, that he had a hands-on role? No. I today have either spoken or communicated by email with four current or former Bain officials, three of these four are Democrats, two of them are active supporters of Obama in campaig n 2012. They were all there at the time. They say Mitt Romney left in a hurry in February 1999 to take over the Olympics, and he was never involved after that to their knowledge. Not at any meetings, not signing any documents, not involved in any deals. Again, three of these four are Democrats, they say what the Obama campaign is saying isn't true."

What's great about this story is that the Obama campaign has spent tons of money parroting this lie in certain battleground states, and this strategy of lies has been a huge failure, as the needle hasn't moved in favour of Obama. So the Obama campaign just burned through a lot of money and coordination with its leftist media allies to no avail. Hopefully this is another sign of desperation from the Obama campaign, which it seems to be.

More fundamentally, it shouldn't matter whether or not Romney was involved with Bain Capital during a time where their operations were associated with outsourcing jobs abroad. That's called capitalism, sometimes jobs are outsourced, and sometimes they're insourced. To run against that, which is a staple of the Obama campaign, is to run against capitalism. Obama is essentially running a campaign against free markets.

What's also ironic is that Obama is essentially the outsourcer-in-chief, he was destroyed millions of jobs and sent billions overseas to chase the phantom of "green jobs" (much like Dalton McGuinty). He has no shame, however, in accusing a demonstrated creator of wealth as the killer or jobs. With the left, everything is always upside down.

Edited by kraychik, 13 July 2012 - 11:14 AM.

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#2 guyser

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:24 AM

[they are required by law until that new team is in place to list Mitt Romney. What's great about this story is that the Obama campaign has spent tons of money parroting this lie in certain battleground states, and this strategy of lies has been a huge failure,


IOW, no lie.

Unless you are lying about the lie, in which case....

Edited by guyser, 13 July 2012 - 11:24 AM.


#3 kraychik

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:36 AM

IOW, no lie.

Unless you are lying about the lie, in which case....


The point is simple, and that is that Romney had no meaningful involvement with Bain Capital's operations after he left in February of 1999, although the Obama campaign is dishonestly stating otherwise. One of Obama's campaign spokespersons went so far as to imply that perhaps Romney is a felon, and that he lied to the SEC.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:45 AM



Here Obama exposes his economic illiteracy. While being interviewed by fellow leftist Charlie Rose (who famously stated weeks before the election in November of 2008 with several other leftist pundits, including Tom Brokaw, that they didn't really know anything about Obama), Obama delivers the Marxist narrative of business interests (self-interest) not necessarily being in line with the greater good "creating jobs". What Obama clearly doesn't understand the creation of wealth and the benefit this delivers to society in broad terms.

Obama in his own words:

"...there are questions there (about Romney's professional record with Bain Capital) that have to be asked... was his focus creating jobs?"

Since when do people go into business to create jobs? This is a perfect example of how the left doesn't understand elementary economics. Self-interest is the goal, and one of the beneficial externalities of self-interest in a free market economy is the creation of employment.

"If you're the head of a large private equity firm or hedge fund, your job is make money, it's not to create jobs, it's not even to create successful businesses, it's to make sure you're maximizing returns for your investors".

This is the Marxist narrative as pure as you're gonna get it from Obama. He continues on to talk about how his job is to "think about the workers", as if the interests of one group (the owners, the management, the investors, the capitalists) are diametrically opposed (to borrow a phrase from a Reagan speech in the early 80s) to the interests of the other (the workers, the labourers, the proletariat).

Here are two hilarious exchanges between the clueless leftist pundits Brokaw and Rose, and two other folks that I mentioned earlier admitting they don't know anything about Obama a week before the election. What they do know, however, is that they're both gonna vote for him. The first video has Rose with two leftists from Newsweek, the second video is Rose with Brokaw admitting they don't really know anything about then presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

http://www.charliero.../interview/9341



Here is the gem of the second video:

"I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is", says Charlie Rose, "professional journalist", a week before the 2008 election.

"No, I don't know, either", replies Tom Brokaw, another "professional journalist", a week before the 2008 election.

Earlier in the video, Brokaw states, "We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy. China has been not examined at all."

To that, Rose interjects, "Which is astonishing!".

Again, these are two "professional journalists", openly stating they know nothing about Barack Obama, a week before the election in November of 2008. Nevermind any of that, Obama is still "a curious mind" according to Brokaw, and he'll vote for him anyways.

It doesn't get any funnier than this.

Edited by kraychik, 13 July 2012 - 11:51 AM.

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#5 guyser

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:20 PM

The point is simple,

So simple you dont get it? :lol: Far right wingnuts do that I guess.

Lets make it simple, Was he or was he not still the lead guy at Bain until a replacement was found?

Can you say yes or no ?

#6 kraychik

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

So simple you dont get it? :lol: Far right wingnuts do that I guess.

Lets make it simple, Was he or was he not still the lead guy at Bain until a replacement was found?

Can you say yes or no ?


He was the CEO, but not the lead guy. Those two things are not always one in the same. I realise that you don't understand this, although I've explained it in detail earlier. I know people who sit on executive boards of certain organisations (for instance, a charity) that they have virtually no involvement with. This can occur for various reasons, which you're obviously not interested in discussing honestly. So I'll leave it at that.

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#7 guyser

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:13 PM

He was the CEO, but not the lead guy.

:lol:

Those two things are not always one in the same.

:lol:

I realise that you don't understand this,

Let me tell you a little secret ....The CEO is the lead guy, there is no one higher than he is. The CEO is the top decision maker.

although I've explained it in detail earlier.

No you didnt. You may have tried, but utterly failed. Anyhow, lets not stop here, more comedy to come.

I know people who sit on executive boards of certain organisations (for instance, a charity) that they have virtually no involvement with.

No you don't , thats a load of crap. But nice try!
Yeah, its called a Board of Directors and they meet typically only a few tiomes a year. They are entrusted with protecting investors interests ( like profitability and stability)

This can occur for various reasons, which you're obviously not interested in discussing honestly. So I'll leave it at that.

Honestly? Ha....mucho richness here.

Obviously you are young, very young. But hey , thats ok, you mayu grow up and learn about these things if you shut your mouth long enough.

But word to the wise, dont spout nonsense when there are plenty of people who know all about this.

Your obvious deflection, vis a vis "which you're obviously not interested in discussing honestly. So I'll leave it at that.is pretty much an admission you dont know shite from shinola.

Edited by guyser, 13 July 2012 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

He was the CEO, but not the lead guy.


Thanks, you prove Romney lied.

tsk tsk....

Want to make a thread about how silly it was? He was for all intents and purposes gone, but he was still the legal go to guy, also the guy who would face the heat if the proverbial **** hit the fan.
Then knock yourself out with your ODS .

Youre a birther too huh?

tsk tsk

#9 kraychik

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

I won't go into personal details, but as I've said, I know people who sit on executive boards who've had no substantial involvement with the relevant organisations for years. Whether or not you understand this is not my problem. The same thing obviously took place with Romney after he left Bain Capital in February 1999 but remained the CEO until he was completely replaced due to legalities.

As was already stated in the second paragraph of my opening post, four Bain Capital officials that John King directly communicated with confirmed Romney's story of him having no meaningful involvement with the first after his departure. It is not I who needs to grow up, as clearly you subscribe to a mythology of all executives of all organisations maintaining meaningful involvement with their respective organisations in all circumstances. This simply isn't the case. It's not the case with people I know personally, and it wasn't the case with Romney. What the Obama campaign is doing, without success, is hoping that enough Americans are ignorant enough to believe Romney's official status as CEO necessitates that he was still actively involved with the affairs of Bain Capital even after he left in February of 2009.

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#10 kraychik

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

Your obvious deflection, vis a vis "which you're obviously not interested in discussing honestly. So I'll leave it at that.is pretty much an admission you dont know shite from shinola.


Thank you for the personal attack.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:45 PM

He was for all intents and purposes gone, but he was still the legal go to guy,


You just contradicted yourself. In your earlier post you stated, incorrectly I should add, that all executives are directly involved in the regular affairs of their respective organisations. I indicated that I know people personally who sit on executive boards of organisations who have had no meaningful involvement with their respective organisations for years. Your response was to call me a liar. Yet here you are, now conceding that Romney was, "for all intents and purposes gone". Which is it? Was he attending regular meetings and playing a meaningful role in the direction of Bain Capital as you stated all executives do, or was he really "gone" from Rain Capital after his departure in February 1999 to work on the Olympics? The false innuendo from the Obama campaign is that Romney was directly involved with operations that were associated with outsourcing of jobs from America. This is clearly untrue, and the narrative you are subscribing to due to your compulsion to disagree with me.

The truth is Romney had no meaningful relationship with Bain Capital after his departure in 1999, and had to stay on board as the CEO due to legalities. This has been confirmed many times, and most recently via communications John King has had with four Bain Capital executives (three of whom are Democrats and two of whom are actively supporting Obama's 2012 campaign) who have stated that Obama's campaign is dead wrong on this. The video is posted above.

Thank you for exposing the left.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:22 PM



Here's John King in another video breaking through the false innuendo from the Obama campaign, as well as shattering the illusions of guyser who believes that all executives have direct involvement with the management of their respective organisations.

John King quotes one of the former Bain Capital executives, "Steve Pagliuca (a current Bain official) says the Boston Globe report and what the Obama campaign is saying now is simply untrue. Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics. He was had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm, or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure."

Edited by kraychik, 13 July 2012 - 02:23 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:26 PM

Here is leftist Washington Post giving the Obama narrative three out of a possible of four Pinnochios, describing it as a deceitful narrative.

Do Bain SEC documents suggest Mitt Romney is a criminal?

The Obama campaign is blowing smoke here. Meanwhile, the weight of evidence suggests that Romney did in fact end active management of Bain in 1999. He stated that in a federal disclosure form he signed, under threat of criminal penalties. He said he was a “former employee” in a state disclosure form. A state commission concluded 10 years ago that he did, indeed, leave Bain in 1999. Investors in Bain funds were told he was not part of the management team.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

I find it mind-blowing that there really are people stupid enough to believe the corporate media is leftist.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:33 PM

I find it mind-blowing that there really are people stupid enough to believe the corporate media is leftist.


Thank you for the insult.

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