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#1 Boges

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:49 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=wo_c2

(CNN) -- A shooting at a house party in Toronto killed two people and left 19 others wounded, many of the injuries a result of the ensuing commotion, authorities said Tuesday.
It's unclear what prompted the altercation that led to the shooting late Monday, Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said.
The injured included an infant under age 3. The number of casualties is preliminary and may go up, according to authorities.
Blair described it as an unprecedented incident.
"The level of violence is something that we have never experienced and right now we're working very hard to ensure that we provide all the assistance that we can to the people who have been injured," he said. "We're working fully to identify the people responsible to get them off the street, to get their guns off the streets and bring them before the courts."


So what is it? Is it because this was in a poor area of Toronto? (Apparently the BBQ was in a subsidized townhouse complex) Is it because City Council didn't ban bullets last week like resident communist Adam Vaughan wanted? Or is it because there are laws against using hard drugs, allowing gang violence like this to proliferate.

I suspect this will be met with a lot of apathy because it wasn't in a mall like the Eaton's Centre shooting. Innocent people were injured though.

I don't have the answers. I don't think anyone here does. Toronto is a relatively safe city but there are places where it's not so safe. Events like this defy explanations unless of course you want it to fulfill some kind of agenda you have. (ei Gun Control, Drug Prohibition, Poverty)

Edited by Boges, 17 July 2012 - 05:52 AM.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:18 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/17/world/canada-shooting/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

So what is it? Is it because this was in a poor area of Toronto? (Apparently the BBQ was in a subsidized townhouse complex) Is it because City Council didn't ban bullets last week like resident communist Adam Vaughan wanted? Or is it because there are laws against using hard drugs, allowing gang violence like this to proliferate.

I suspect this will be met with a lot of apathy because it wasn't in a mall like the Eaton's Centre shooting. Innocent people were injured though.


I'm chalking this up to the fact that it was downtown, which as we all know is not a safe place for families.

Wait, what?


I don't have the answers. I don't think anyone here does. Toronto is a relatively safe city but there are places where it's not so safe. Events like this defy explanations unless of course you want it to fulfill some kind of agenda you have. (ei Gun Control, Drug Prohibition, Poverty)


That's silly. Of course there's an explanation, but it's complex and involves all those things that you are sneering at as being a part of someone's agenda and presumably not real problems.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:53 AM

ban alcohol

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:01 AM

ban alcohol


How about we ban Barbecues after 10:30pm on Weekdays. :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:13 AM

How about we ban Barbecues after 10:30pm on Weekdays. :rolleyes:

Good idea. What else can we do?

Ban alcohol.
Ban BBQs after 10:30pm (why stop at weekdays?).
Ban guns.

What else can we ban?

How about install CCTV in residential neighbourhoods.

Edited by cybercoma, 17 July 2012 - 08:13 AM.

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free and civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as their religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:20 AM

Good idea. What else can we do?

Ban alcohol.
Ban BBQs after 10:30pm (why stop at weekdays?).
Ban guns.

What else can we ban?

How about install CCTV in residential neighbourhoods.


It works in Great Britain right?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:27 AM

just a guess but drugs are probably behind this, prohibition just doesn't work and only encourages gang violence, this is no different than the alcohol prohibition that was rejected for the same reasons, it doesn't work and promotes crime...prohibition=crime=money=violence...
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:19 PM

I've listened to many reports on this shooting and the commmuities must start the process of stopping this from happening. What has been said on these reports is that young males, who are in gangs are behind this. Even though being in a gang is against the law now, they don't care and will do what they want to do. McGuinty has called for a meeting with the mayor and the police and some leaders in the community concerned, to try and head off anyone else getting killed. I think the border inspection needs to be taken a look at and see where the guns and the drugs are coming in. The importers of these drugs and guns has to have money, so the authories need to do more of a job to find out WHO? IF it takes a huge reward offered to get information on theses gangs then police should offer it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

McGuinty has called for a meeting with the mayor and the police and some leaders in the community concerned, to try and head off anyone else getting killed.


Oh boy, right there that could spell trouble in a whole lot of ways.

“I took the opportunity this morning to speak with (Toronto Police) Chief (Bill) Blair and Toronto Mayor Rob Ford,” McGuinty said after touring a factory that makes brake pads.

“I invited them to join me in the not-too-distant future to determine what it is we have in place by way of measures that might act to prevent these kinds of tragedies from unfolding.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/17/premier-to-gather-top-law-enforcement-in-wake-of-scarborough-shooting
(my emphasis)

Is McGuinty serious or just running off at the mouth. First of all, you cannot totally prevent nutjobs from opening fire on each other or innocents. Obviously, the measures that are in place are not preventing these tragedies. What should be looked at is whether the present measures are ineffective/outdated and/or contributing factors and what different measures need to be put in place to minimize future occurrences.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

Oh boy, right there that could spell trouble in a whole lot of ways.


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/17/premier-to-gather-top-law-enforcement-in-wake-of-scarborough-shooting
(my emphasis)

Is McGuinty serious or just running off at the mouth. First of all, you cannot totally prevent nutjobs from opening fire on each other or innocents. Obviously, the measures that are in place are not preventing these tragedies. What should be looked at is whether the present measures are ineffective/outdated and/or contributing factors and what different measures need to be put in place to minimize future occurrences.


McGuinty is going to send the shooters to Sarnia at a cost to the Ontario taxpayer of $190 million.

Wait that's another story sorry?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:46 PM

Good idea. What else can we do?


Stay away from large gatherings of Black people. :ph34r:
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

The fact that this took place on a weekday at a time when most of us are working or sleeping to be ready for work should say a lot.

But that won't matter, someone will try to go after the guns, it's always the tools fault and not the tools that use them.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

just a guess but drugs are probably behind this, prohibition just doesn't work and only encourages gang violence, this is no different than the alcohol prohibition that was rejected for the same reasons, it doesn't work and promotes crime...prohibition=crime=money=violence...

Not according to Fantino.

I read his statement about this shooting.In it he writes two sentences of condolences for the victims and another 12 sentences promoting conservative policies!

Fantino is using the deaths/victims of innocent people to promote conservative policy.

How any one ever gave this guy a job is freekin beyond me.And how this guy can ever sleep at night is also beyond me!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:19 PM

It works in Great Britain right?


I still think we should consider banning all forms of violence………….
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:37 PM

Hey, why don't we ban these guys:



The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-

Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-



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