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[gunrutz]

Nope. It's immigrants.

If that's where the majority of this crime is coming from isn't it time we pull our heads out of the sand and do something about it? It is not our responsibility to fix everyone from every shit hole in the world.

[cybercoma]

So you're saying that those knives got up and stabbed someone all on their own? Or was it that people used them to stab someone? Which again proves that people are the problem, not the weapons.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people. But the gun sure does help. You're not going kill many people pointing your finger at someone and shouting "BANG!""

[Wild Bill]

As a Utilitarian, you should be more concerned about the degree and scope of pain and suffering that is endured by those involved in these situations as well as the likelihood of recurrence.

You can throw that in your cost-benefit analysis, and you would probably find that this whole thing is really not a big deal at all, but it is a good PR opp for the politicians.

It's a big deal to the families of the victims.

If I knew her email, I would forward your reply to the mother of that baby who was grazed by a bullet.

I'm sure she would be impressed with your concern about the degree and scope of pain and suffering!

YOU trying to make out like I"M the one who lacks concern! Unbelievable!

[Wild Bill]

What methods? We know that harsh punishment doesn't work, or the US would have no crack dealers or murderers. (Detroit, smaller than TO, has had 180 murders so far this year. TO? 27) You live in your own little dream world, just as much as the people who you say think that basketball courts are the solution.

Who says that harsh punishment doesn't work? Would you care to cite some links to prove your point that the US has such harsh sentences? And don't just cherry pick one or two harsh states! How about you pick New York or California? Tell us the typical sentence for a murderer or the perp of a violent crime.

I'm glad you think Toronto is so wonderful for only having 27 murders so far this year. I'm curious as to how many you think is a good number. How do you feel about the trend? Is it up or down for gang violence?

Or perhaps we should be happy that overall such violence appears to be decreasing. All we have to do is include stats from communities like Owen Sound and it should be easy to swamp out the numbers from Jane & Finch.

[Signals.Cpl]

Who says that harsh punishment doesn't work? Would you care to cite some links to prove your point that the US has such harsh sentences? And don't just cherry pick one or two harsh states! How about you pick New York or California? Tell us the typical sentence for a murderer or the perp of a violent crime.

You are right, look at China, lower homicide rate per 100,000 people than Canada.

I'm glad you think Toronto is so wonderful for only having 27 murders so far this year. I'm curious as to how many you think is a good number. How do you feel about the trend? Is it up or down for gang violence?

I think we should be happy every year that we manage to bring down the homicide rate, for a good number I would say less than the year before.

Or perhaps we should be happy that overall such violence appears to be decreasing.

We should celebrate every little victory, I don't think we can completely eliminate violent crime, but as long as we can keep lowering the rate we should be happy.

All we have to do is include stats from communities like Owen Sound and it should be easy to swamp out the numbers from Jane & Finch.

I don't think it comes down to how many murders that are committed in the city, its more of where. As long as a majority of the violent crime was restricted to a specific area or a few specific locations people don't really notice the homicide rate much aside from another shooting in the news. Right now people are more worried because of such high profile locations as the Eaton Centre in which case the crimes move to the forefront because people don't feel safe because it is happening in our perceived "safe" area's.

[cybercoma]

You are right, look at China, lower homicide rate per 100,000 people than Canada.

That's if their statistics are kept as accurately as Canada. It's generally accepted that Chinese criminal record keeping is so inaccurate that it's pointless in comparing their statistics with other countries.

[Signals.Cpl]

That's if their statistics are kept as accurately as Canada. It's generally accepted that Chinese criminal record keeping is so inaccurate that it's pointless in comparing their statistics with other countries.

If you have proof I would like to see it, because how it seems to me is that you can point at the US and say that harsher sentences do not reduce violent crime, and then when someone points out that harsher sentences DO reduce violent crime you state its because of bad record keeping. Anything that proves your point is right, anything that disproves your point is wrong.

[cybercoma]

If you have proof I would like to see it, because how it seems to me is that you can point at the US and say that harsher sentences do not reduce violent crime, and then when someone points out that harsher sentences DO reduce violent crime you state its because of bad record keeping. Anything that proves your point is right, anything that disproves your point is wrong.

It's not "anything that disproves [my] point is wrong." Chinese criminal record keeping is a mess.

[Signals.Cpl]

It's not "anything that disproves [my] point is wrong." Chinese criminal record keeping is a mess.

Depends on wether or not it proves your point, if it showed high violent crime rate and proved your argument then you would be singing a different tune. For the moment since you are not presenting much in the way of evidence to support your claims, I am sticking to the statistics.

[cybercoma]

Are you really trying to suggest that the criminal justice system in China, one of the biggest human rights violators and most secretive governments on the planet, is as similar to Canada's as the US's system?

[Signals.Cpl]

Are you really trying to suggest that the criminal justice system in China, one of the biggest human rights violators and most secretive governments on the planet, is as similar to Canada's as the US's system?

You are making an assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions right?

[cybercoma]

You're the one assuming that China keeps accurate records on crime and their definition of violent crime is as similar to Canada's as the US's definition.

[Signals.Cpl]

You're the one assuming that China keeps accurate records on crime and their definition of violent crime is as similar to Canada's as the US's definition.

I am using statistics from a legitimate organization, whereas you are telling me those statistics are useless because you assume China is disorganized and dishonest, until you present facts to disprove the statistics and/or support your claims I will stick to my position.

[wyly]

You don't get charged with murder for threatening to murder someone. You get charged with threatening to murder them. It's also an aggravating factor if you're carrying a gun and further aggravating if it's an illegal firearm.

nowhere in this thread have posted people should be charged with murder for threatening, I did throw out my opinion that possession of an illegal handgun should put them away for 20yrs...now if you want to suggest 15yrs for possession of an illegal handgun and an extra 5 for using it in a crime I'd be good with that...

[wyly]

So you're saying that those knives got up and stabbed someone all on their own? Or was it that people used them to stab someone? Which again proves that people are the problem, not the weapons.

you related to shady or kis? twin brother perhaps?