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[socialist]

if the Liberals don't give teachers what we deserve then there will be a strike. we are tired of governments who have no clue what we have to go through. mcguinty better quickly realize how much support the teachers in ontario gave him in this last election. thank goodness we have awesome teacher unions in this province looking out for teachers and students. i'm disgusted.

http://www.theglobea...article4449756/

[CPCFTW]

Don't tell me that you're a teacher?

Well there goes my hope for Canada's future..

[socialist]

Don't tell me that you're a teacher?

Well there goes my hope for Canada's future..

I have one more semester then I will be a public school teacher. You make an ignorant remark so you must be jealous. Public schools are changing. I want to be part of that change and have kids exposed to my views of social justice and environmental issues.

[Moonlight Graham]

thank goodness we have awesome teacher unions in this province looking out for teachers and students. i'm disgusted.

Teacher unions don't look out for students, only teachers. If what the unions do also happen to benefit students it's usually only by coincidental byproduct.

Not going to school because of a strike does not benefit students. Wage increases may benefit students if it brings in better talent to teach, but this is only a coincidental byproduct of self-serving union demands.

Teacher's shouldn't be able to strike during the school year if it leads to kids missing education.

[Signals.Cpl]

I have one more semester then I will be a public school teacher. You make an ignorant remark so you must be jealous. Public schools are changing. I want to be part of that change and have kids exposed to my views of social justice and environmental issues.

Too bad you don't know what social justice means...kinda hard to teach someone when you yourself lack the knowledge.

Edited by Signals.Cpl, 31 July 2012 - 09:04 PM.

[bleeding heart]

Too bad you don't know what social justice means...kinda hard to teach someone when you yourself lack the knowledge.

Yeah. I think I'm going to start teaching particle physics, and maybe in my spare time, high finance.

That'll improve society tremendously, no doubt.

[Boges]

I don't actually think the McGuinty government is all that wrong here.

I just enjoy seeing his allies turn on him are trying to make his life miserable.

The Catholic deal made it very difficult for the other boards to make deals without concessions.

Edited by Boges, 01 August 2012 - 06:28 AM.

[socialist]

Teacher unions don't look out for students, only teachers. If what the unions do also happen to benefit students it's usually only by coincidental byproduct.

Not going to school because of a strike does not benefit students. Wage increases may benefit students if it brings in better talent to teach, but this is only a coincidental byproduct of self-serving union demands.

Teacher's shouldn't be able to strike during the school year if it leads to kids missing education.

If teachers are going to get screwed around and not be treated fairly then going on strike during the school year is the only way to et the public's attention. You don't know anything about bargaining so don't try to pretend to be an expert.

[Shady]

If teachers are going to get screwed around and not be treated fairly then going on strike during the school year is the only way to et the public's attention. You don't know anything about bargaining so don't try to pretend to be an expert.

You should hate the new contract agreed to by the teachers union. Supply teachers that get hired full-time now hired soley on seniority instead of merit. It'll be 10 years before you get a full-time job now.

[Boges]

You should hate the new contract agreed to by the teachers union. Supply teachers that get hired full-time now hired soley on seniority instead of merit. It'll be 10 years before you get a full-time job now.

Not to mention the retirees that double-dip by collecting their pension and still do supply teaching duty.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Teacher unions don't look out for students, only teachers. If what the unions do also happen to benefit students it's usually only by coincidental byproduct.

When you break down unionized vs. non-unionized, students in unionized environments outperform those that come from a non-unionized teaching environment. That's an inconvenient truth for ontario teacher haters.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Not to mention the retirees that double-dip by collecting their pension and still do supply teaching duty.

Now, I'm of the belief that they should just retire.

But...

In most professions you can retire, and then come back as a "consultant". Why should teaching be any different?

[Boges]

Now, I'm of the belief that they should just retire.

But...

In most professions you can retire, and then come back as a "consultant". Why should teaching be any different?

Sure they have the right to do what they're doing. Just sucks for all these young teachers that are coming up expecting a nice job coming out of school.

Perhaps Teacher's Colleges should take less students since the demand for teachers was waned. . . Oh wait they'll never do that.

Edited by Boges, 01 August 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

You should hate the new contract agreed to by the teachers union. Supply teachers that get hired full-time now hired soley on seniority instead of merit. It'll be 10 years before you get a full-time job now.

My wife has been trying to get in. The degree of nepotism is atrocious. A friends daughter graduates and gets hired over someone who actually makes a good teacher. Can't even get on the supply list because it's being filled with relatives and friends.

In this job shortage you'd think that system would benefit because only star teachers would get hired... yet the people getting the jobs aren't the stellar candidates who work well with difficult kids, or develop a strong repor to be able to deal consequences and still maintain a working relationship with kids. They have human kinetics (useless) degrees and know an administrator somehow, or go get drunk with other teachers.

Seniority at least means that the person who has been trying to get in must be considered before that family member that just graduated. That is why the Catholic union argued for it. Their system is even worse for nepotism.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Sure they have the right to do what they're doing. Just sucks for all these young teachers that are coming up expecting a nice job coming out of school.

Perhaps Teacher's Colleges should take less students since the demand for teachers was waned. . . Oh wait they'll never do that.

That's never in the government's interest to do so.

Keeping enrolment high keeps anti-union sentiment strong with the younger ones who come in and see phys ed teachers who work 3 hours and 45 minutes a day, don't coach and take home over 90k (when they MIGHT make 40k in private sector job they are qualified for). While the younger teacher is willing to take difficult classes and enjoys coaching.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 01 August 2012 - 09:15 AM.