Edited by bleeding heart, 06 August 2012 - 01:52 PM.
Wisconsin Shikh temple shooting
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:44 PM
At any rate, an awfully sad story.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 02:07 PM
At any rate, an awfully sad story.
Definitely, about the only “positive aspect” was the heroic actions of the police lieutenant that got shot well rendering First Aid.
Edited by Derek L, 06 August 2012 - 02:08 PM.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 02:19 PM
Definitely, about the only “positive aspect” was the heroic actions of the police lieutenant that got shot well rendering First Aid.
I don't think it's so positive that he got shot "well."
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 02:49 PM
Oh God here we go again.One thing that strikes me about this thread -
One white guy full of hate kills 6 Sikhs, and America is full of hate. One guy out of 312 million. But when 19 Muslims killed almost 2000 Americans, without one gun I might add, it wasn't a reflection on Islam. Oh, no. The Muslims who want to do away with us are just a small minority, and anyone who doesn't recognize that is full of hate.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:14 PM
I don't think it's so positive that he got shot "well."
Of course not, but he still did his job in the face of danger......That's positive and after he recovers, I hope he gets a medal.
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:32 PM
One thing that strikes me about this thread -
One white guy full of hate kills 6 Sikhs, and America is full of hate. One guy out of 312 million. But when 19 Muslims killed almost 2000 Americans, without one gun I might add, it wasn't a reflection on Islam. Oh, no. The Muslims who want to do away with us are just a small minority, and anyone who doesn't recognize that is full of hate. As one guy with a gun out of 312 million Americans is proof of a huge problem in the U.S. Of course the fact that the Oklahoma City bomber also managed to kill a few people without a gun seems to be forgotten, too. Just ban guns - and get Americans to hold hands and sing Kumbya - and problem solved. The world will be full of peace and harmony.
Sikhs aren't Muslims. As a matter of fact, they have a history of not liking each other very much.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:37 PM
I think her point was different. The way I understand what American Women said was that when 20 terrorists killed 2000+ people there were many who said they did not represent islam and , while 1 guy kills 20 people suddenly he represents America and all the legal law abiding gun owners in the US. There is a double standard and if people just look it becomes pretty self evident.Sikhs aren't Muslims. As a matter of fact, they have a history of not liking each other very much.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:54 PM
I think her point was different. The way I understand what American Women said was that when 20 terrorists killed 2000+ people there were many who said they did not represent islam and , while 1 guy kills 20 people suddenly he represents America and all the legal law abiding gun owners in the US. There is a double standard and if people just look it becomes pretty self evident.
That would of course be a double standard.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:55 PM
I think her point was different. The way I understand what American Women said was that when 20 terrorists killed 2000+ people there were many who said they did not represent islam and , while 1 guy kills 20 people suddenly he represents America and all the legal law abiding gun owners in the US. There is a double standard and if people just look it becomes pretty self evident.
I agree with your assessment of her post. Well said.
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:04 PM
I realize that.Sikhs aren't Muslims. As a matter of fact, they have a history of not liking each other very much.
That's it exactly.I think her point was different. The way I understand what American Women said was that when 20 terrorists killed 2000+ people there were many who said they did not represent islam and , while 1 guy kills 20 people suddenly he represents America and all the legal law abiding gun owners in the US. There is a double standard and if people just look it becomes pretty self evident.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:27 PM
Regardless (as you two obviously won‘t provide sources), of the 250+ million, legal, private firearms within the United States, what percentage of said guns were used to kill a person yesterday, what percent will kill people today and tomorrow?
Are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?
are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths prevented today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?
How many of the over 250 million legal guns killed someone on Sunday?
how many of the over 250 million legal guns prevented someone from dying on Sunday?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:43 PM
citation request
Two Government sources from near 15-20 years ago:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt
http://web.archive.org/web/20071214070953/http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf
They put estimates ranging from ~200 -~220 million back then..........And gun sales have skyrocketed post 9/11 and Obama since.
Now are you going to suggest that there have been that many firearms deaths yesterday? In week? A month? A Year?
The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
-Barry Goldwater-
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
-Winston Churchill-
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan-
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:50 PM
There is a saying that goes "a couple of bad apples ruin it for everyone"That's it exactly.
But not if your a gun owner.
If you travel by plane(or use any transportation in some countries) or cross the border things have drastically changed since 911.Would you deny this?
In other words what you are complaining about and reality are two different things.
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