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#1 Boges

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:06 AM

Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be pretty sweet if the Teachers are on strike during the election date.

http://www.thestar.c...chener-waterloo

The people of K-Dub don't really want this man to have unfettered power for another 3 years do they? :(

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:52 PM

Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be pretty sweet if the Teachers are on strike during the election date.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1238711--mcguinty-calls-byelections-for-vaughan-and-kitchener-waterloo

The people of K-Dub don't really want this man to have unfettered power for another 3 years do they? :(


Teachers will go on strike if they aren't given the deal they deserve. mcguinty is stabbing in the back those who helped elect him.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:05 PM

Teachers will go on strike if they aren't given the deal they deserve. mcguinty is stabbing in the back those who helped elect him.

Why do they deserve a raise exactly?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:13 PM

Why do they deserve a raise exactly?


Because they do very important work, That's why genius. Parents who can't control their own kids send their uncontrollable brats to school where a teacher has to deal with 30 of them at once. that's why. any other dumb questions?
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be pretty sweet if the Teachers are on strike during the election date.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1238711--mcguinty-calls-byelections-for-vaughan-and-kitchener-waterloo

The people of K-Dub don't really want this man to have unfettered power for another 3 years do they? :(


The OSSTF (Secondary Teacher Union) has made it clear that it doesn't want to start the year on strike.


Does Dalton even have a candidate for that region?
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:06 PM

Because they do very important work, That's why genius. Parents who can't control their own kids send their uncontrollable brats to school where a teacher has to deal with 30 of them at once. that's why. any other dumb questions?



It is very important work but, let's be honest... 94k/year top salary is good by today's standards for a professional.

I'm not saying we cut it across the board (some teacher jobs are hugely overpaid: Guidance Councillor, Gym Teacher, Student Success Teacher)

But, raises aren't in the cards. Even the OSSTF teacher's union tried to negotiate a 0% wage increase and it was turned down.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 09 August 2012 - 12:06 PM.

Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies. Modern conservatives don't follow reason, they don't analyse the situation, they make up an ideological solution and then attempt cram that solution into a problem that doesn't exist.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:30 AM

Does Dalton even have a candidate for that region?


There are three possible Candidates for the byelection that need to be decided on still.

Eric a councillor I beleive, another councillor for the ward 2 universities area, and a police seargent with the municipal police

I think it may be the woman or eric as they seem to be the most political I don't know about Raj but he may be a capitulation to insure that Fife beat the Tory.

There is a massive vote split brewing that may give the tories the seat, but I think that perhaps McGuinty is possitioning for Fife but my analysis is not very informed.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:55 AM

It is very important work but, let's be honest... 94k/year top salary is good by today's standards for a professional.

I'm not saying we cut it across the board (some teacher jobs are hugely overpaid: Guidance Councillor, Gym Teacher, Student Success Teacher)

But, raises aren't in the cards. Even the OSSTF teacher's union tried to negotiate a 0% wage increase and it was turned down.



Although my first post was lost due to the screen flipping back - I'll rehash what I just wrote.

-Wages should be tied into CLI regionally
-Boards should be tasked with raising teachers income beyond a provincial share
-tax benefits for teachers who do not have a full time position should be given
- Rae Days were good and saved billions - Login Days would be like Rae Days with 1 day a week being development or alternative programming days that called for a reduced staff load for that day. Activities like having community organizations come into the schools and expose students to real world issues, field trips to local history sites, tree planting and other initiatives that gave students local experiences, and exposures, with a reduced staffing requirement due to community involvements. Having one day a week a special event would also make school more enjoyable and it doesn't need to cost the community to host the community.
-a social contract should be brought in that commits the government to X% of the budget, with funding going to X, Y, and Z. The school day could be supplimented with online learning activities, and videos that are supervised by less teachers, so less teaching hours and more learning hours so salaries did not increase but the amount of work done did decrease.

There are lots of solutions. The fact is taxes arn't popular, and there is only so much money, a good first go would be asking teachers, where the cuts should be.

But Login Days, and rearrangement of how teaching is delivered to have less teaching hours and more learning hours will breed independent learners. Using the Japanese group learning model allowing older students to help younger students, programs like book buddies, and homework groups as a basic compotent of the education system will expose students to more learning systems.


I have to say it is ridiculous that he has heat from both the OMA and Teachers right now. The conservatives would be meaner so the poistioning is odd, as I can't imagine the NDP gaining 40 seats.

The sad part is enough isn't being done but the Tories appear totally clueless on real needs and to me appear more and more about funneling funds rather than solving problems.

I have some major issues with the Liberal Government but they actually communicate regardless of what is happening behind the scenes, other governments are much less interactive with concerns.

I fear that people will not get a better deal under the Tories, and I am at a loss to what the NDP would do.


It is festering but it feels like the Tories would stab deeper, and the NDP would get an worse infection but I'm likely just out of touch and don't know enough about their priorities.


Looking at the NDP Platform

taking the HST off hydro, why? I'd put that money into setting up ODSP and OW recipients with Microfit like projects to give them residual income in social housing projects for those willing to undertake the training, to create cheaper pubically generated electricity so hydro rates reduce and supply increases. That HST should go into programs aimed to reduce the cost of those goods and services they effect. I don't support HST but I do support industry taxes to improve industry if they are public services. Fact is electricity is a private service and that is part of the problem, that is why taking government revenue generated from the private sale, go into public control capacity building. Owned by the government and managed by would be OW and ODSP recipients.



Forget about gas, fuel innovation and technological innovation, improve commuter systems. Vechiles are a waste, that most people really don't need, with better public transport systems
and embrace of health implements like bicycles and ski's in communities people can be active and mobile. Only very few travelling business people really need cars or those involved in the transport sector that need to transport goods like courriers. These are already
too many carbon emissions we shouldn't promote making more easier.

For people in rural areas the government should set up things like grass ethanol refineries for local supply at low cost run by OW workers some staff and people who work in the cooperate growing areas get a share of the ethanol. Ethanol isn't difficult to make. Rural areas are rural. http://e85.whipnet.n...ke.ethanol.html

Even human waste is gas http://www.denverpos...ness/ci_5107090

The transit fare should be only effective on public systems, and those systems are few. The province does not run the TTC, nor does it run many other systems. Things like GO transit are already subsidized. You need to match all public costs with CLI including transit fairs, or atleast CCLI or the cost ofw maintaining the system and workers wages into CCLI and future acquisition and emergency / backup costs.


Work should stem from OW and ODSP as far as government concerns are and they should be crown corps that first aim to reduce governmental operating costs. Private business should be left to itself, but definately Ontario businesses - Ontario First Principles should be tied into regionalism, for non monopoly industries on a lowest cost basis. The public purse should not be seen as a cash cow for private success. Public moneys should be if possible fully eliminated from private transactions. There should be no government CEO's on public payroll. crown corps should be run as agencies governmentally. The non governmental share of crown corps should be run by electoral process and non paid except as a portion of funds set aside to company wages which the CEO's should draw from, not government salary.


Let people die in emergency rooms if it means more money so they get care faster. why not take out unneeded streams like crisis and open up beds to emergencies. Leave psychological issues to care workers, and beds in homes and social projects, where housing rather than medical care is provided.The last thing youshould dois drug someone in crisis, to do so is a failure of communication. Dangerous people should be in jail psych and vegetables should be in intensive care. Kill psych care and divert that to emergency, which hospitals should largely be for.

Ambulance use needs to be examined, some ambulance uses should be a fee others should not. Operating costs and workload need to be taken into consideration. Having more capable service vehicles such as better trained policein extended cruisers for urban patrol to act as emergency medical. Fees for gas and repairs and staff time for non emergency transport are reasonable when a bus or taxy are there. If people have hardship then it is more reasonable but using ambulances as public taxi system could be left to collectivos.

I don't know what they are consulting so I can't comment. But they may need help.

Balancing the budget isn't enough, the deficit needs to be cleansed and the debt purged.


It is better for the government build new homes as old homes are too costly and inefficient habitat and new social housing projects should be undertaken, with a portion of homes sold to pay for the program.
Lets be real even though homeowners don't want to pay for their homes, it is a cost of life. People wait for years, and people without money on social assistance have their costs up to in some cases $20,000 or so covered, eco energy also exists. Loans for federal programs like ecoenergy would be prudent.

Cycles don;'t need infrastructure there are already roads, invest in drivers knowing how to drive and crack down on the jerks, with a public transit system and less people on the road conditions should be better. Get auto workers to make buses and smaller vehicles, less mass less cost of production and less energy to move them.

I think a loan repayment plan is good, total forgiveness is a little much but paydown into the debt for those who stay in ontario to service under serviced areas (not specifically rural areas) is showing the longer they stay the more debt is paid down, its not like they can't pay anyway but the commitment is a bonus.



I'd like to see student loans revised into lifetime alumni payments. so current students end up paying for future students loans since there may always be more students and more past students the funds available will always increase, and retroactively the amount could decrease with the more former students paying into it, it also removes the need to borrow public funds, and students taking loans should hopefully respect that type of arrangement since they benefited from it. It would also be tied to income levels such as 2% or something like thatto fund the system.

More social housing is needed end landlord slavery. The government shouldn't be funneling to landlords, it should be building affordable hosing, as rent costs keep increasing, thepublic shouldn't be paying landlords to babysit renters, we need people to build homes. Nothing against landlords but rents are too high for people in poverty depending on programs like OW.

I think dental and eyecare should be part of OHIP, but OHIP should be a self paying program rather than tax funded, only people in poverty should be given basic care with a graduation of theportion of the fee for people under the poverty line to the middle income threshold.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

I'm really not sure how groups who think deficit cutting is giving them a raw deal think that empowering Hudak will help.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:40 AM

Latest Polls
If I recall them correctly

KW
PC 34 Down 9
LIB 30 Down 6
NDP 30 Up 12

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LIB 42
PC 36
NDP 9
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

Eric Davis, a male lawyer is the liberal candidate in Kitchener.

A female is the PC candidate, likewise for the NDP.


It was a PC riding before the election the polls are pretty close though.

Witmer held the riding for a long long long time. (20 years... that is almost Alberta blue)

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 04:55 PM

Eric Davis, a male lawyer is the liberal candidate in Kitchener.

A female is the PC candidate, likewise for the NDP.


It was a PC riding before the election the polls are pretty close though.

Witmer held the riding for a long long long time. (20 years... that is almost Alberta blue)


I hope they win it Again. I don't want to see Dalton with a Majority.
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