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GostHacked    110
1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

At least 13 dead (50+ injured)...crushed by a vehicle...or only 1 dead if you're CBC.

Notice how it barely rates a yawn, now?

Welcome to the new normal. As the wars continue in the M.E. they will bring that back to us. Mission accomplished? 

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DogOnPorch    878
4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

To be fair to dialamah, there is no confirmation yet that this was an Islamic terror attack.

But who yah gonna call???

That's right.

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DogOnPorch    878
Just now, Goddess said:

I think the article says it is a confirmed terror attack.

 

 

But...you know...there's a remote chance it was IRA or something similar. 

 

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GostHacked    110
6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

To be fair to dialamah, there is no confirmation yet that this was an Islamic terror attack.

But who yah gonna call???

That's right.

Good thing you never jump to conclusions that are wrong.

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DogOnPorch    878
1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Good thing you never jump to conclusions that are wrong.

 

You're free to list them all...tick tock.

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GostHacked    110
22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to list them all...tick tock.

Yeah I've seen the show, take it down about 20% there.

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DogOnPorch    878
1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Yeah I've seen the show, take it down about 20% there.

 

Tick tock...

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Bonam    81

I wonder what is the required frequency/scale of terrorist attacks before Western societies start doing something about it. I get the feeling most Western politicians would be ok with a few thousand casualties per year in their countries. They might even like it, it gives them the needed excuse to keep increasing government power and surveillance. How many must die before governments are forced to do something real to address the issue? 

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11 hours ago, Bonam said:

How many must die before governments are forced to do something real to address the issue? 

Like it or not, there is such a thing as acceptable losses.  You are, in the end, a number to government.  If you have an alternative to that, I would like to hear it because I think the present system is inhuman.  On the other hand, democracy can't support engagement in risk assessment and complex topics...

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Bonam    81
On 9/17/2017 at 6:54 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Like it or not, there is such a thing as acceptable losses.  You are, in the end, a number to government.  If you have an alternative to that, I would like to hear it because I think the present system is inhuman.  On the other hand, democracy can't support engagement in risk assessment and complex topics...

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

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Argus    651
1 hour ago, Bonam said:

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

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Bonam    81
Just now, Argus said:

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

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2 hours ago, Bonam said:

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

I'm sure all of those numbers are too high.  A single stabbing will make international news now, if they suspect it's a terrorist behind it that is.

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Goddess    248
41 minutes ago, Bonam said:

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

Whoever wants to sacrifice a loved one to the god of diversity and multiculturalism, raise your hand now.

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Argus    651
1 hour ago, Bonam said:

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

I don't consider either of those to be a gain. And certainly not worth deaths.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

That's a different question.  The government sees a gain, of course, or they wouldn't do it.

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Bonam    81
3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure all of those numbers are too high.  A single stabbing will make international news now, if they suspect it's a terrorist behind it that is.

I wasn't asking what number would make the news. I was asking what number would make things change. Terrorist attacks are about a weekly occurrence now. When they happen, yeah, we see them on the news, and then we go on with the status quo. So what number would it take for people to no longer accept the status quo? 

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1 minute ago, Bonam said:

I wasn't asking what number would make the news. I was asking what number would make things change.

Surely you see that these are related ?

1 minute ago, Bonam said:

Terrorist attacks are about a weekly occurrence now. When they happen, yeah, we see them on the news, and then we go on with the status quo.

Ok, well let's see.

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Bonam    81
3 hours ago, Argus said:

I don't consider either of those to be a gain. And certainly not worth deaths.

Our democratically elected overlords disagree. 

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