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Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

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Is Justin Trudeau the worst Canadian prime minister since his father, Pierre Trudeau ?   Trudeau the First and Trudeau the Second are now competing for history's prize of worst Canadian PM in recent memory, with a rapid fall from grace after several missteps and broken campaign promises.    Then there was his expressed loved for a deceased dictator and murderer of thousands in Cuba.    But I am getting ahead of myself.....let's go back to the beginning:

 

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....By now, with three duds in a row, the liberals were desperate. What to do? Only one thing, really: anoint the handsome, youthful heir apparent: the son of four-time Canadian Prime Minister, Pierre Elliot Trudeau.

What could possibly go wrong?

At first, nothing did. Trudeau performed as required. If he lacked ideas or brains he seemed to be taking advice, and there were still some wise heads in the Liberal Party, including that of former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, willing to provide the advice. Meantime the Tories were tired, out of ideas, facing mounting economic problems, and tarnished by the Senate expenses scandal. The result was highly predictable. Trudeau led the Liberals to a splendid victory.

But since, then, the trend has not been young Justin's friend.

A limited intellect, a lack of significant real-world experience,  and a surfeit of praise will tend to propel any youthful hero on a course for disaster. Justin Trudeau's case has proved to be no exception.

http://canspeccy.blogspot.com/2017/01/justin-trudeau-worst-canadian-prime.html

 

It's only been 17 months, but has Justin Trudeau already started down the path of his legacy and curse ?  The rising debt....ethics scandals....broken promises...Canada has seen all of this before from the "natural ruling party of Canada".

 

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....Embroiled the Trudeau Foundation in a scandal of pay for access if not pay to play, and taken a family vacation as the guest of the Aga Khan, a foreign billionaire, registered as a lobbyist in Canada, with the result that he has become the first Canadian Prime Minister to be subject to investigation by Parliament's Conflict of Interest watchdog;

Keep the pot boiling among Tory opponents by stopping off in Calgary to propose shutting down the tar-sands;

Given Vladimir Putin the finger by appointing Chrystia, Freeland, a Russophobic Ukrainian nationalists as Canada's Minister of External Affairs, an appointment described by one Russian state news outlet as a “catastrophe for Canadian-Russian relations”;

Given Donald Trump the finger, by way of the government owned and controlled CBC which ridicules the U.S. President-Elect as "the Real-Life Archie Bunker". Best of luck, Justin, negotiating a trade deal with the new US Administration. Tough luck Canada, having such a saphead running the government;

 

Justin Trudeau's honeymoon is long over, and more selfies will not reverse plummeting poll numbers and growing criticism.  

More Trudeau refugees can't vote in Canada...yet.

 

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No, this topic is about PM Justin Trudeau's fall from grace in Canada.  

The usual deflections to another country are off topic.

This thread reports and celebrates the failings of Justin Trudeau compared to the failings of Pierre Trudeau...in Canada. 

Perhaps it really isn't Canada anymore....Trudeau says Canada is now "the world's first postnational state".

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5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No, this topic is about PM Justin Trudeau's fall from grace in Canada.  

The usual deflections to another country are off topic.

This thread reports and celebrates the failings of Justin Trudeau compared to the failings of Pierre Trudeau...in Canada. 

Perhaps it really isn't Canada anymore....Trudeau says Canada is now "the world's first postnational state".

Exactly. Which is why I showed you evidence that he hasn't fallen from grace. Not in Canada, nor in the US.

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Justin Trudeau is now fully exposed domestically and internationally, with no backstop or support from the previous U.S. administration.

He is too weak and unimaginative to lead a "postnational" Canada without any "core identity" through worldwide economic and political change.

Trudeau has only reacted to things so far....watching and hoping that other foreign leaders of far more relevance don't upset the status quo too much.

 

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50 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Given Donald Trump the finger, by way of the government owned and controlled CBC which ridicules the U.S. President-Elect as "the Real-Life Archie Bunker".

He makes that sound like a bad thing.  

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Please stay on topic...this thread discusses Justin Trudeau as worst Canadian PM since Pierre Trudeau.

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23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Justin Trudeau is now fully exposed domestically and internationally, with no backstop or support from the previous U.S. administration.

He is too weak and unimaginative to lead a "postnational" Canada without any "core identity" through worldwide economic and political change.

Trudeau has only reacted to things so far....watching and hoping that other foreign leaders of far more relevance don't upset the status quo too much.

 

Trudeau inherited a country who's international image had been hollowed out by nearly a decade of conservative rule under Harper. It will take some work to revive it but JT is getting there. In his year he has done tours to the G20 and Commonwealth summits, the Paris climate summit, hosted the 3 Amigos, greatly improved relations with the US, impressed the G7 members by his performance at that summit in Japan, and showed renewed interest and participation at the UN. How's Trump doing so far?

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My reply quite relevant to this topic...The poll in in Huffington Post shows a different picture about Trudeau.

In actual fact it shows that he is very popular. Is that not so?

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2 minutes ago, Omni said:

Trudeau inherited a country who's international image had been hollowed out by nearly a decade of conservative rule under Harper. It will take some work to revive it but JT is getting there. In his year he has done tours to the G20 and Commonwealth summits, the Paris climate summit, hosted the 3 Amigos, greatly improved relations with the US, impressed the G7 members by his performance at that summit in Japan, and showed renewed interest and participation at the UN. How's Trump doing so far?

Yeah that's BS. Domestically Trudeau has been a trainwreck. 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yeah that's BS. Domestically Trudeau has been a trainwreck. 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but by BS are you trying to suggest he didn't attend all those meetings/summits?

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Just now, Omni said:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but by BS are you trying to suggest he didn't attend all those meetings/summits?

No, that he inherited a Canada with a Hollow international image. 

Why is he increasing his carbon footprint by globetrotting to all these summits? 

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2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Domestically Trudeau has been a trainwreck. 

Unemployment when Trudeau took over - 7%

Unemployment today - 6.8%

 

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Just now, ?Impact said:

Unemployment when Trudeau took over - 7%

Unemployment today - 6.8%

Slow Clap. What policies has he implemented that created that 2% drop? 

He's also broken a stream of election promises, has deficit spending projected for decades and made public image gaffes. 

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2 minutes ago, Boges said:

No, that he inherited a Canada with a Hollow international image. 

Why is he increasing his carbon footprint by globetrotting to all these summits? 

Perhaps because he is the Prime Minister and has a concern about global warming.

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4 minutes ago, Omni said:

Perhaps because he is the Prime Minister and has a concern about global warming.

Then he shouldn't be travelling with such big entourages. In fact, why did he have to to Washington for a single day this week, hasn't he heard of Facetime? 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

He's also broken a stream of election promises

Yes, he has not delivered on all his election promises. He has however delivered on many of them, and is only just over a year into a four year mandate. Some of the claims out there about not delivering on election promises are just sore losers trying to make hay out of nothing (e.g. 25,000 refugees - it was accomplished by end of Feb'16 but those who spend 99% of their time complaining about it anyway seem to think that the Dec'15 date is the only metric that means anything even though it was not in the platform)

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20 minutes ago, Omni said:

Trudeau inherited a country who's international image had been hollowed out by nearly a decade of conservative rule under Harper.

Twaddle. There was nothing whatsoever wrong with our 'international image'. The only people around the world who had problems with it were the Muslim countries who didn't like our standing up for Israel.

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2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Yes, he has not delivered on all his election promises. He has however delivered on many of them, and is only just over a year into a four year mandate. Some of the claims out there about not delivering on election promises are just sore losers trying to make hay out of nothing (e.g. 25,000 refugees - it was accomplished by end of Feb'16 but those who spend 99% of their time complaining about it anyway seem to think that the Dec'15 date is the only metric that means anything even though it was not in the platform)

How about big ones that speak to cornerstones of his campaign like Electoral Reform and UNDRIP? Or how about the fact he felt the need to do a nationwide speaking tour to help his popularity only a year and a bit into his mandate. 

And right now he's facing two opposition parties without leaders. 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Then he shouldn't be travelling with such big entourages. In fact, why did he have to to Washington for a single day this week, hasn't he heard of Facetime? 

I don't think you encourage good foreign relations by snubbing the incoming leader of such a longstanding neighbor as the US by using facetime in lieu of an invite for a face to face. 

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

Twaddle. There was nothing whatsoever wrong with our 'international image'. The only people around the world who had problems with it were the Muslim countries who didn't like our standing up for Israel.

Correct.  For example, the deranged left love to forget that Harper was much celebrated by G20 leaders for what happened during and after the 2008 global recession .  Just imagine what Justin would have done then.....

 

But back to the topic, lets set aside the two "PM for the weekend" candidates for worst PM since Trudeau the Elder: John Turner and Kim Campbell.

 

I am not saying that Justin is the worst yet, his body of terrible work is already considerable, and quite impressive for 16 months- but lets let the consequences of his blunders sink in for a bit before crowning him.  And to be sure, he has many more monstrous screw-ups coming soon.

 

No, my vote would go to Chretien. Awful in all regards.  He'd be winner by acclamation if just a few more Quebecois had voted to secede in 1996 under his watch. 

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6 minutes ago, Argus said:

The only people around the world who had problems with it were the Muslim countries who didn't like our standing up for Israel.

Canada had a long history of balance in the support in the middle east, and Harper changed to to one of singular support for Israel. Yes, that did cause Canada a loss of standing with Muslim countries, and for the first time ever lost the rotating security council seat. 

4 minutes ago, overthere said:

Correct.  For example, the deranged left love to forget that Harper was much celebrated by G20 leaders for what happened during and after the 2008 global recession .

 

Thanks to Paul Martin. If Harper had his way in the lead-up to the 2008 recession, he would have destroyed this country. He wanted to allow Canadian financial institutions to gamble with their depositors money.

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I think the biggest foreign policy blunder Trudeau has made was not cancelling Harper's deal to sell arms to the Saudis. I'm sure it is providing some good jobs but a bit of a black eye for the country.

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