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7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Americans don't care if Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister since Pierre Trudeau....but some Canadians sure do.

 

What do Americans care about beyond navel gazing?

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8 hours ago, overthere said:

Correct.  For example, the deranged left love to forget that Harper was much celebrated by G20 leaders for what happened during and after the 2008 global recession .  Just imagine what Justin would have done then.....

He would have done exactly the same thing Harper did. Ease credit. And that's what every other western country did as well. If you want to credit someone with Canada not being as impacted by the global recession than other countries that person would be sir John A MacDonald  who nationalized our central bank in 1938.

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4 minutes ago, dre said:

John A MacDonald  who nationalized our central bank in 1938.

Cool trick, sounds like something Frederick Douglass would do.

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21 hours ago, ?Impact said:

No, and he didn't implement Harper's fool idea for financial market deregulation while he was in opposition. When Harper did come into power however, he did double the government backed insurance money for private mortgage insurers. Thankfully there were enough other protections in the system to protect us from that dumb move.

I guess you are still looking for that first clue about mortgage regulation, getting mortgage insurers and mortgage lenders a bit mixed up? Just so you know, they are distinct entities.   Are you talking about funding for CMHC insurance, which is quite profitable?  Harper actually limited that at the end of his tenure.  Also during that tenure we saw rapid growth in private mortgage insurers , especially with Genworth.     Every PM since the creation of CMHC has manipulated CMHC as a significant part of overall fiscal policy.   It is not surprising since housing is a major part of our economy.  Diddling with CMHC is not just social engineering, it involves a lot of money everywhere. Trudeau has been very active in that regard since elected.

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1 hour ago, overthere said:

I guess you are still looking for that first clue about mortgage regulation, getting mortgage insurers and mortgage lenders a bit mixed up?

Not at all, I am referring to the backing of private mortgage insurers (what the industry calls reinsurance) by the public. Yes, there was the $120 billion in gifts to the lenders as well, but that is a different issue and happened a year or so later.

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On 2/15/2017 at 3:38 PM, ?Impact said:

Canada had a long history of balance in the support in the middle east, and Harper changed to to one of singular support for Israel. Yes, that did cause Canada a loss of standing with Muslim countries, and for the first time ever lost the rotating security council seat. 

Balance? Should we have had 'balance' in the dispute between Hitler and Poland? Should we have balance in the ongoing disputes between North Korea and South Korea?

Why should we have balance between a free, democratic western Allie and a collection of deeply bigoted, racist, misogynistic theocracies and military dictatorships?

That being said, that doesn't mean Canada can't disapprove of some of the dumb things Israel does, esp the settlements. But the way Canada chiefly irritated the Muslim world was in voting 'no' against the scores of repetitive, one-sided anti-Israel motions the Islamic bloc keeps passing in the UN general assembly. Most of Europe simply abstained, in what I regard as a cowardly fashion. The third world was simply bribed to vote in favor of them, since they didn't give a damn, and only the US and a few of its key allies had the courage to say no. I thought it was great that we had the courage to stand up to the Islamic bloc. And I could not possibly care less about a meaningless position on a meaningless council where only five member states actually matter anyway.

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Thanks to Paul Martin. If Harper had his way in the lead-up to the 2008 recession, he would have destroyed this country. He wanted to allow Canadian financial institutions to gamble with their depositors money.

Now you're saying it wasn't how Harper handled things but how you think he would have wanted to handle things. Canadian financial institutions are an extremely conservative bunch. It is very unlikely they would have taken the plunge into derivatives which caused so much trouble to the south. And btw, Mr. Hyperbole, the US wasn't destroyed by the recession either.

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On 2/15/2017 at 3:42 PM, Omni said:

I think the biggest foreign policy blunder Trudeau has made was not cancelling Harper's deal to sell arms to the Saudis. I'm sure it is providing some good jobs but a bit of a black eye for the country.

What would the point have been? Don't get me wrong, I despise Saudi Arabia, but it would have accomplished nothing whatsoever. The Saudis would have bought the same from the US or UK or France or a half dozen other countries.

I mean, even all those people who insist on trying to change the behavior of other countries by boycotting them only boycott buying from them, not selling to them. And the impact of even that is generally pretty low.

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23 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Despite the treasonous wishes of right wingers on this forum, Trudeau's trip to the USA was a huge success.  

Treasonous? :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Why should we have balance...

Because it's not the white hats vs. the black hats, unless you're a conservative who sees things as black and white...  good vs. evil...  us vs. them...  Most people realize that this is a nuanced issue where Israel is not pure good or pure evil...  and the same for the other side.

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4 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Because it's not the white hats vs. the black hats, unless you're a conservative who sees things as black and white...  good vs. evil...  us vs. them...  Most people realize that this is a nuanced issue where Israel is not pure good or pure evil...  and the same for the other side.

How about between the off white and the very dark grey hats? About the only thing you can say against Israel is they're still occupying the west bank and gaza. You can fill pages with the brutality, corruption and human rights abuses of the Islamic world. And their endless passing of one-sided resolutions serves only  to excite their miserable masses and the antisemitic Left in the west.

And a guy who uses a term like 'treasonous' to describe conservatives who criticize the great leader's visit to the US has no business talking about nuance.

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22 minutes ago, Argus said:

Treasonous? :rolleyes:

Yes.  Treasonous to hope that the visit is a disaster and Trump rolls over Canada economically.  

Criticize Trudeau?  Sure.  Hope he's an abject failure and that Trump makes him lick is boots?   Treasonous.

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17 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Yes.  Treasonous to hope that the visit is a disaster and Trump rolls over Canada economically.

And the 'right wingers' on this forum were hoping for that to happen?

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12 minutes ago, Argus said:

And the 'right wingers' on this forum were hoping for that to happen?

Yes.  Several, or so it seemed.

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On 2/15/2017 at 10:57 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Is Justin Trudeau the worst Canadian prime minister since his father, Pierre Trudeau ?   Trudeau the First and Trudeau the Second are now competing for history's prize of worst Canadian PM in recent memory, with a rapid fall from grace after several missteps and broken campaign promises.    Then there was his expressed loved for a deceased dictator and murderer of thousands in Cuba.    But I am getting ahead of myself.....let's go back to the beginning:

 

 

It's only been 17 months, but has Justin Trudeau already started down the path of his legacy and curse ?  The rising debt....ethics scandals....broken promises...Canada has seen all of this before from the "natural ruling party of Canada".

 

 

Justin Trudeau's honeymoon is long over, and more selfies will not reverse plummeting poll numbers and growing criticism.  

More Trudeau refugees can't vote in Canada...yet.

 

There were some NDP politicians who wanted to change the rules for voting in Canada. One NDP fool wanted to change the required residency for new immigrant citizen's to become Canadian from what it is today to three years. Probably trudeau may possibly want to try to make this happen also. Never trust a liberal or a socialist. They lie. Why would any decent and moral and intelligent Canadian would want to vote another trudeau for PM after what the last disaster trudeau did to Canada is beyond me. With most Canadians, and their knowledge of elections and politics, for them it is just in one ear and out the other, and they will behave politically ignorant and stunned until the next election where they may just decide to vote in the NDP next time around. Scary. Most Canadians are just an exercise in futility.  

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9 minutes ago, taxme said:

Most Canadians are just an exercise in futility

Then why don't you pack your bags, cross the border, and go carry a sign around in support of the Orange Oligarch. I'm sure he'll appreciate your presence.

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On 2/15/2017 at 11:55 AM, kactus said:

84% of Canadians disapprove of Trump. That is quite a high proportion based on this survey.

It appears Trump has really angered the neighbouring Canada and Mexico to a level not seen for many years... 

Now why would 84% of Canadians disapprove of Trump? Trump has only been president for three weeks. Give the guy a break. Maybe the reason for the supposed negativity about Trump is because of our fake and phony liberal media who cannot seem to get away from constantly trying to run down Trump. I would not trust any Canadian poll. No doubt that poll was just another bs liberal poll. They all are. It seems that every poll taking in Canada is a poll created to make conservatives and people like Trump look bad or unwanted. 

There is no doubt that the probable reason for Trump and why he may have angered Canada and Mexico is because he has shown leadership, and told the truth about the rigged political system where the leaders of Canada and Mexico have no clue about leadership, and refuse to want to drain the swamp in Canada. They appear to just want to keep corruption going and the stealing of tax dollars to promote their own wasteful liberal spending programs and agendas for the glory of making themselves look great. 

Canada has a lot of corruption going on in politics but for some reason our phony liberal media seems to want to ignore any of it, and just carry on with Trump bashing. 

 

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How many posters on this site are old enough to remember Trudeau? I mean Pierre?

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8 minutes ago, Omni said:

Then why don't you pack your bags, cross the border, and go carry a sign around in support of the Orange Oligarch. I'm sure he'll appreciate your presence.

Why should I pack my bags? I have spent too much time and money for decades in trying to support individuals and conservative alternative media groups who want to drain the swamp in Canadian politics to back out now. I am not like those criminal illegal refugees who keep coming to Canada, and running away from their problems, instead of staying home and doing something about their problems. Canada is my home, and I will continue to speak out and against the politically correct politicians who are destroying this once great British and European nation. I am waiting an hoping that a Trump like politically incorrect politician will become the PM one day. I want to make Canada great again.  

 

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5 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

How many posters on this site are old enough to remember Trudeau? I mean Pierre?

Me, for one. And I will always remember what that misfit Pierre did to Canada. And now I have to live with his sons bs. What a deal. 

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5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I am waiting an hoping that a Trump like politically incorrect politician will become the PM one day

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Canadians prefer intelligent people to run their country. That's why 84% don't like him.

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21 minutes ago, Omni said:

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Canadians prefer intelligent people to run their country. That's why 84% don't like him.

You're debating a guy who likes what Hitler did and thinks Canada should have joined Germany in WWII....

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9 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

You're debating a guy who likes what Hitler did and thinks Canada should have joined Germany in WWII....

Oookay. And I assume not in the way we joined them at Dieppe!

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43 minutes ago, Omni said:

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Canadians prefer intelligent people to run their country. That's why 84% don't like him.

Well, if Canadians like intelligent people to run Canada then why did they vote the liberals in? That didn't show too much intelligence. But hey. 

My impression of most Canadians is that they don't even like themselves. Just my personal opinion.

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2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Well, if Canadians like intelligent people to run Canada then why did they vote the liberals in?

You answered your own question there. As to the other part all I can say is what part of Vancouver do you live in, I must never have been there.

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