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So out in BC you have the perfect little story of the way the Left becomes enraged whenever anyone voices doubt about their ideology or policies. A school board trustee didn't like the new gender identity policy at the board that was included in the curriculum, thought it based on ideology and theory rather than proven scientific fact, and dared to say so several times. Transgender is one of the Left's new identity groups and is extremely fashionable now. No one is allowed to doubt that children or adults of any age can self-identify as something else. If you do, you're basically Adolph Hitler. Throngs of wild-eyed Leftists scream and rant against A Uof T professor named Peterson anywhere he goes because he has the temerity to not believe in addressing people by any of the several score made-up identity pronouns. People scream at him for being a 'fascist' and 'nazi' and 'hatemonger' and there have been numberous attempts to get him fired. So you can imagine how this went over in BC, the home of the loony left

Everyone from the school board head to the education minister have demanded he resign, and the local government union has launched a human rights complaint against him for 'creating an unsafe and discriminatory work environment' for their highly  overpaid highly underworked members. But unions have always been bastions of the stifling conformity and anti-democratic beliefs of leftists.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-b-c-school-official-protests-transgender-education-and-pays-the-price

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33 minutes ago, Argus said:

BC, the home of the loony left

I guess asking for an adult conversion is too much.

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7 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I guess asking for an adult conversion is too much.

If there were any LEFT in BC. You don't get adult conservations from the crazy left, they will just call you every name in the book and will not listen to any other view and Impact, they have proved it over and over. The peterson case proves it without a doubt and what the did top that poor girl over it.

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7 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I guess asking for an adult conversion is too much.

He who becomes enraged whenever voices similar doubts about ideology or policy. 

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I'm all for calling out extremists but very few are willing to do it for people on their side of the great divide.  People on this site are a good example.

 

Name calling, violence are just wrong... let's just say it that way.  Someone can try to categorize you but if you don't want to be called that, just explain why it is and we all move on.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

So out in BC you have the perfect little story of the way the Left becomes enraged whenever anyone voices doubt about their ideology or policies. A school board trustee didn't like the new gender identity policy at the board that was included in the curriculum, thought it based on ideology and theory rather than proven scientific fact, and dared to say so several times. Transgender is one of the Left's new identity groups and is extremely fashionable now. No one is allowed to doubt that children or adults of any age can self-identify as something else. If you do, you're basically Adolph Hitler. Throngs of wild-eyed Leftists scream and rant against A Uof T professor named Peterson anywhere he goes because he has the temerity to not believe in addressing people by any of the several score made-up identity pronouns. People scream at him for being a 'fascist' and 'nazi' and 'hatemonger' and there have been numberous attempts to get him fired. So you can imagine how this went over in BC, the home of the loony left

Everyone from the school board head to the education minister have demanded he resign, and the local government union has launched a human rights complaint against him for 'creating an unsafe and discriminatory work environment' for their highly  overpaid highly underworked members. But unions have always been bastions of the stifling conformity and anti-democratic beliefs of leftists.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-b-c-school-official-protests-transgender-education-and-pays-the-price

Yes how dare people call out somebody who is in a position of power for having backwards views about gays and transgendered people. 

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Actually this person seems like they're more interested in being a lightning-rod for controversy than in putting forward a sane argument.

But, ok, let's have a discussion then.  The courts and arbitrators exist for a reason.  Let's put them to work.

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1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

I guess asking for an adult conversion is too much.

You're saying I'm wrong?

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm all for calling out extremists but very few are willing to do it for people on their side of the great divide.  People on this site are a good example.

Including you.

Extremists? We're not talking about ANTIFA here. We're talking about a school board and the education minister. Are you calling them extremists? This is hardly a case in isolation. Think of Trudeau's demand that anyone who wants government funding for a summer student jobs program must check off a box attesting to their agreement with the government on reproductive rights. Or the way he simply banished pro lifers from the Liberal party without so much as a discussion. Is Trudeau an extremist? There is NO tolerance for those who disagree with Left wing believes, and precious little sense that people have a right to disagree.

Jonathan Haidt talks about how people rally around 'sacred symbols' and that to the Left, things like inclusiveness and identity politics are sacred objects. In Canada, absolutely uncontrolled access to abortion is also a sacred symbol. Once you adopt something as a sacred symbol then anyone who attacks that symbol is a  heretic and evil. That seems to be the way a growing number of those on the Left feel about anyone disagreeing with them. Thus again on immigration. If you attack immigration then you're attacking immigrants (the Left does not differentiate) and thus are racist and fascist and evil. There is no room for discussion, much less compromise, with blasphemers and heretics.

What was that inquisition about at Laurier but outrage that a teaching assistant had let a brief snippet of a video featuring Peterson be shown without her castigating him for his evil heresy? The fact she herself was a true believer was irrelevant to her crime! Those who are heretics must not be permitted a voice! They must be hounded until they desist, and forced out of office!

 

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1 hour ago, Gingerteeth said:

Yes how dare people call out somebody who is in a position of power for having backwards views about gays and transgendered people. 

There is nothing in the story which says he has any but positive views of gays. Why do you assume otherwise? And why do you assume someone who says that teaching small children that they can change genders at will and pointing out there is little science behind this is 'backward'?

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27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Actually this person seems like they're more interested in being a lightning-rod for controversy than in putting forward a sane argument.

He does? Why? What gives you that impression?

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13 minutes ago, Argus said:

You're saying I'm wrong?

No, he opened by attacking you, then has the nerve to insinuate you're being childish. That's just more of the problem you outlined in the OP right back at ya.

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

No, he opened by attacking you, then has the nerve to insinuate you're being childish. That's just more of the problem you outlined in the OP right back at ya.

I would say he objected to my calling BC the home of the loony left, but if BC doesn't have more of them than anywhere else in Canada I'd like someone to point out where that other place might be.

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35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But, ok, let's have a discussion then.

Agreed about the extremists views, but if we're going to have the conversation then we need to immediately shut down the accusatory, ad-hominem nonsense. Hard to have a conversation when being purposely trolled in order to shut it down.

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11 minutes ago, Argus said:

You're saying I'm wrong?

We have an unsupported allegation from Barbara Kay that some guy is being railroaded because of his beliefs, and you go off an start labeling people loony (and full of vicious intolerance). I am simply asking for an adult conversation.

What exactly is this guy opposing (not the bold on exactly), what exactly did he say about it? When we have that established, perhaps we can actually have a conversation. I looked through Kay's article, but couldn't find it. She references SOGI 123 (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity), which is quite meaningless and certainly doesn't relate what he said about it.

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No, he opened by attacking you, then has the nerve to insinuate you're being childish. That's just more of the problem you outlined in the OP right back at ya.

Thank you for your deep but heavily biased insight. You seem to be incapable of understanding that terms like loony left, and vicious intolerance are themselves ad-hominem nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

We have an unsupported allegation from Barbara Kay that some guy is being railroaded because of his beliefs, and you go off an start labeling people loony (and full of vicious intolerance). I am simply asking for an adult conversation.

He's objecting to kids being taught that gender is fluid because he thinks that will result in psychological problems/confusion and that it's not scientifically sound. Gender identity has become the most fashionable of subjects to the Left over the last year, and there seems a palpable outrage whenever anyone doesn't go along with them on it, witness Peterson. I will see what more can be googled on this guy and the HR complaint.

Added. This seems to be why the Left is outraged.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3822108/chilliwack-school-trustee-demands-apology-from-fellow-board-member-following-lgbtq-facebook-post/

 

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2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Thank you for your deep but heavily biased insight. You seem to be incapable of understanding that terms like loony left, and vicious intolerance are themselves ad-hominem nonsense.

You have also shown yourself to be not above such a thing. But if we can maintain a reasonable level of respect, there is no problem.

As a wise man said... "Physician, heal thyself!" ;) 

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

You have also shown yourself to be not above such a thing.

Could you point out some of the threads I have started with those sort of attacks?

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Right off the bat I would say I object to this coming under the purview of schools and the boards anyway. They should not be involved in the promotion of social hot-button topics, where there is great controversy and divide in our country. I always advocate that as long as people mind their own business, there will be less problems. Schools, especially at elementary level should not be teaching anything like this. Sensitive topics concerning gender should be introduced in late high school and beyond, and in general should not be compulsory. There are many families who are devoutly religious and would oppose their young children being exposed to such exclusively liberal ideas. Forcing an agenda is a lack of respect for their foundational beliefs.

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4 minutes ago, Argus said:

He's objecting to kids being taught that gender is fluid because he thinks that will result in psychological problems/confusion and that it's not scientifically sound.

I agree that what is taught should be evidence based, but without knowing what exactly is being taught (not some biased view that has no relation in reality like we recently saw with the Ontario Health curriculum) and what is being said about it then all we have is innuendo.

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Just now, ?Impact said:

Could you point out some of the threads I have started with those sort of attacks?

I don't need to sir. While I respect you and understand you're different in some ways and not purely here to troll, you do at times take cheap shots same as the rest. If it is in jest, that is fine. But generally it often gets out of hand and leads to pathetic communication. So what say you, shall we step it up or step it down?

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9 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I agree that what is taught should be evidence based, but without knowing what exactly is being taught (not some biased view that has no relation in reality like we recently saw with the Ontario Health curriculum) and what is being said about it then all we have is innuendo.

The link I put in has a link to the policy/curriculum. But understand that this topic is not about this particular thing alone, but merely as the symbol of the intolerance we see from the Left around their sacred symbols, and those who deny or attack them. Thus Trudeau demanding anyone who gets funding for summer students attest that they support abortion rights. Whaaaat!? You don't agree with abortion rights! Blasphemer! How dare you! Crawl off and hide! No money for student jobs for you!

 

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26 minutes ago, Argus said:

There is nothing in the story which says he has any but positive views of gays. Why do you assume otherwise? And why do you assume someone who says that teaching small children that they can change genders at will and pointing out there is little science behind this is 'backward'?

He called the idea child abuse. His views are backwards.

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1 minute ago, Gingerteeth said:

He called the idea child abuse. His views are backwards.

You mean where he said:

I agree with the College of pediatricians that allowing little children choose to change genders is nothing short of child abuse.

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