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29 minutes ago, Argus said:

He does? Why? What gives you that impression?

His comments would be a good place to start. Referring to people who understand that there are gay people and there are transgender people "radical cultural nihilists" should be your first clue.

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2 minutes ago, Argus said:

You mean where he said:

I agree with the College of pediatricians that allowing little children choose to change genders is nothing short of child abuse.

" The American College of Pediatricians is a socially conservative and politically-motivated fringe group that many pediatricians disagree with on gender identity, according to the fact-checking website Snopes.com."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/school-trustee-allowing-children-to-change-gender-is-child-abuse-1.3646087

 

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The problem is there is a big difference between promoting tolerance and pushing hormone therapy (or surgery) on children. It is hard to say who has said what from the trail I have read so far, but we do have the extremes present.

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See...there's your trouble....the constant feed of American content and culture battles using American social media in Canada.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Including you.

O really ??

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

 

1. Extremists? We're not talking about ANTIFA here. We're talking about a school board and the education minister. Are you calling them extremists?  Is Trudeau an extremist? 

2. Jonathan Haidt talks about how people rally around 'sacred symbols' and that to the Left, things like inclusiveness and identity politics are sacred objects. In Canada, absolutely uncontrolled access to abortion is also a sacred symbol. Once you adopt something as a sacred symbol then anyone who attacks that symbol is a  heretic and evil.   

1. I'm not calling them that.  Are you ?  Are you calling Trudeau one ?

2. I'm interested in cultural context, but you lost my interest when all your examples are from the left.  I can provide examples from the left AND the right.  Why don't you ?

Your concerns about politics infusing everything with cultural poison are valid but why tag on "AND HERE IS WHAT THE LEFT DOES WRONG !!!" ?  It completely flushes your point down the drain.  I am interested in the topic though.

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

He does? Why? What gives you that impression?

This quote: 

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included a photographic internet meme juxtaposing a father in 1997 telling a little boy he wouldn’t allow him to get his ear pierced with a mother in 2017 responding to her child wondering if he should be a girl by telling him “we’ll start hormone treatment immediately.” 

Jordan Peterson was able to provide a dry exposition of his point of view on the Orwellian language laws as he saw it, with an objective dignity that was persuasive.  At one point, he wanted to be part of a conversation of a reasonable public and I do respect that.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Agreed about the extremists views, but if we're going to have the conversation then we need to immediately shut down the accusatory, ad-hominem nonsense. Hard to have a conversation when being purposely trolled in order to shut it down.

Right.  It's tough because insults are subjective but I agree.  I think the problem isn't insults as much as people trying to just say their opponent is immoral and thinking the discussion is therefore over.

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In case anyone isn't sure what intelligent people like Peterson are dealing with on a daily basis, here's a sample of what some people call the "loony left".

 

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

People scream at him for being a 'fascist' and 'nazi' and 'hatemonger' and there have been numberous attempts to get him fired. So you can imagine how this went over in BC, the home of the loony left

Well, I'm a lefty from BC, this is the first I've heard of it and I couldn't give a flying fuck. So either I'm not a lefty or whatever Argus is talking about is some new flavour that's sandwiched in the middle somewhere.  Of course in BC Liberals are right-wingers and the NDP is pretty much just a union so it's just another day on planet Babel.

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2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

The problem is there is a big difference between promoting tolerance and pushing hormone therapy (or surgery) on children. It is hard to say who has said what from the trail I have read so far, but we do have the extremes present.

Yes, I don't think many people have a problem with supporting those who have legitimate gender issues. The issue seems to be offering this up as something normal and encouraging those who might simply be a little confused - which is normal, particularly during adolescence, to go whole hog and declare themselves to be some other gender. 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

O really ??

You think you're above that sort of thing? 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'm not calling them that.  Are you ?  Are you calling Trudeau one ?

You entered this topic talking about extremists with reference to the original complaint. If you don't think so then why did you use the term?

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I'm interested in cultural context, but you lost my interest when all your examples are from the left.  I can provide examples from the left AND the right.  Why don't you ?

Go for it. As I said before, noted conservative speakers need bodyguards and face violent mobs when trying to give speeches. Can you maybe find some examples of violent mobs of right wingers trying to shut down leftist speakers? The truth is the only right wing equivalent of the Left's continuing efforts to shut down conversation might be from the religious right on sexual issues. And even there... I don't remember seeing mobs of right-to-lifers trying to shut down anti-abortion meetings, though I've seen and heard of the reverse. I don't know of any pro-gay figures who are hounded by anti-gay mobs. I would never have supported Harper making people affirm their agreement with his beliefs on abortion or the death penalty or anything else to get money for a summer job, but few on the Left seem bothered by Trudeau doing this. I would be furious if Harper had banned pro-choice candidates from running for the Conservatives, but no one on the Left seemed to have much problem with Trudeau doing the opposite. Same for gay rights. Same for death penalty. And the NDP is just as bad if not worse. Believe as we believe or you are a blasphemer! 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your concerns about politics infusing everything with cultural poison are valid but why tag on "AND HERE IS WHAT THE LEFT DOES WRONG !!!" ?  It completely flushes your point down the drain.  I am interested in the topic though.

You don't like it when I accuse the Left because to you the problem is Right wingers. As much as you pretend to be unbiased, you aren't, any more than the rest of us. 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

This quote: 

Jordan Peterson was able to provide a dry exposition of his point of view on the Orwellian language laws as he saw it, with an objective dignity that was persuasive.  At one point, he wanted to be part of a conversation of a reasonable public and I do respect that.

While I haven't seen the picture it sounds reasonable enough as an example of the thing people fear, and for which I've seen warning stories.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/transgender-kids-have-we-gone-too-far/article16897043/

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10 minutes ago, Argus said:

I would never have supported Harper making people affirm their agreement with his beliefs on abortion or the death penalty or anything else to get money for a summer job, but few on the Left seem bothered by Trudeau doing this.

Wrong thread, but that is not what Trudeau did.

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29 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Wrong thread, but that is not what Trudeau did.

Yes, in fact, it is. And it's not the wrong thread. I pointed it out in the OP as another example of intolerance by the left for opinions which go against their sacred beliefs and symbols.

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hey look over there.  Fox found a crazy person to put on national news....

You can bash the source, that's also a fun pastime of you people.  She's obviously crazy, but, can you point to where she said something that is not a common ideal of the left?  This is the mentality of people that Peterson is dealing with, this is the mentality of people who are driving intellects out of the jobs and socially engineering society. 

 

BTW, that is Cathy Areu, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Areu

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hey look over there.  Fox found a crazy person to put on national news....

lmao

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Yes, I don't think many people have a problem with supporting those who have legitimate gender issues. The issue seems to be offering this up as something normal and encouraging those who might simply be a little confused - which is normal, particularly during adolescence, to go whole hog and declare themselves to be some other gender. 

When I was very young, say between 7 - 10 years old or so, I didn't like girls. A completely normal attitude for a child that age, and many of the girls thought the same way. If at that time I had seen a poster such as this, there's no question I would have felt confused. Especially the part "physically attracted to:". I liked my friends... girls were gross. And if at that time the teacher explained these things in the context of gender identity or sexual preference, I might have thought, maybe I am gay!

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

When I was very young, say between 7 - 10 years old or so, I didn't like girls. A completely normal attitude for a child that age, and many of the girls thought the same way. If at that time I had seen a poster such as this, there's no question I would have felt confused. Especially the part "physically attracted to:". I liked my friends... girls were gross. And if at that time the teacher explained these things in the context of gender identity or sexual preference, I might have thought, maybe I am gay!

Well, what is in the curriculum and for what ages. We had all sorts of nonsense spouted about the Ontario Health curriculum that was complete fabrication of the pious right, I strongly suspect that they are doing the same in BC. Yes there are advocacy groups that create graphics like the one you linked above, they are not much different than the Evangelical Christians that do the exact same thing with different graphics.

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3 hours ago, Argus said:

You don't like it when I accuse the Left because to you the problem is Right wingers.  

No, it's not right-wingers that are the problem.  Right/left viewpoints in balance give us governance.

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

... an example of the thing people fear, and for which I've seen warning stories.

Yes, and now is the time to unify people, bring out concerns and address them - I agree.

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2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

This is the mentality of people

If you want to fight with cartoon characters modelled on the left, you will be very busy.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

lmao

Why would they have to go find one I wonder when they have the likes of Hannity already on their payroll?

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1 hour ago, Omni said:

Why would they have to go find one I wonder when they have the likes of Hannity already on their payroll?

I have no idea who "Hannity" even is. I don't care much for panels of so-called experts giving opinions to feed us, which often amounts to gossip presented as news. This is how the media is being put out these days and it's pathetic.

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