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In all honesty, as a foreigner (a Canadian), I have defended America for the past 20 years or so.

Before that, say around 1997 or so, I was anti-American.

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Since 1997, I realised that America can choose someone like Obama or Trump. Even a Bush. Clinton? Nixon?

Looking back, your choice of President is truly weird. You seem to pick "characters", real people.

In that time, China has chosen - nobodies.

(Deng Xiao Ping was a character.)

In that time, Russia has chosen - nobodies.

(Boris Yeltsin was a character.) Putin? Maybe a character - but Yeltsin chose him.

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Anyone can pick 'personalities' - indeed, they must, if real political choice is forbidden, as, in effect, it has been since McCarthy.    All one can do is try to see what these personalities represent.    President Obama was an educated, fairly civilized gentleman, a normal conservative, who represented decent continuity.    President Trump is an ignorant, posturing yob, who hates humanity other than (just perhaps) himself and represents human self-hatred to the point of forcing universal suicide.    Happy days, eh?

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President Trump, although he may indeed be an asshole, is the first person in a VERY long time to stand up for the US and try to return its economy to sustainability.  President Obama, the "educated gentleman" cost the American taxpayer more than every previous President and war combined.

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Their approach to foreign policy is certainly very different. Obama portrayed himself as an American apologist. Donald Trump - American exceptionalism. Obama was the one who broke from tradition, and this probably pleased America's enemies.

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8 hours ago, Penderyn said:

Anyone can pick 'personalities' - indeed, they must, if real political choice is forbidden, as, in effect, it has been since McCarthy.    All one can do is try to see what these personalities represent.    President Obama was an educated, fairly civilized gentleman, a normal conservative, who represented decent continuity.    President Trump is an ignorant, posturing yob, who hates humanity other than (just perhaps) himself and represents human self-hatred to the point of forcing universal suicide.    Happy days, eh?

Boy, are you ever clueless about politics. Obama may soon be charged with crimes against the American people and you think that he has class? Obama was no conservative. He was no better than lying and crooked Hillary. Trump tells it like it is and speaks political incorrectness and that is why he is hated so much by the lying liberal media and democrats and I guess people like yourself. When Trump says that he wants to drain the swamp that should be good news for all. But instead it would appear as though some here do not want to see that swamp drained. Just what the hell do the people want? A swamp or a clean pool? 

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6 hours ago, cannuck said:

President Trump, although he may indeed be an asshole, is the first person in a VERY long time to stand up for the US and try to return its economy to sustainability.  President Obama, the "educated gentleman" cost the American taxpayer more than every previous President and war combined.

Trump does not sound like an asshole to me if he wants to try and drain the swamp. I would call him a hero for wanting to stand up for the US and return it's economy back to where it should be by making America great again. Trump is certainly not an asshole. Those people who call him an asshole could be considered assholes themselves. Hillary and Obama and Trudeau are assholes. America is twenty trillion dollars in debt thanks to Obama. Now only an asshole would allow his country to end up being in that kind of debt, right? 

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5 hours ago, taxme said:

Trump does not sound like an asshole to me if he wants to try and drain the swamp. I would call him a hero for wanting to stand up for the US and return it's economy back to where it should be by making America great again.

I refer to Trump as such since he has not earned money from creating wealth, but by speculative gain.  Yes, has had been a builder at one time, but office towers, casinos, golf courses - those are part of the problem, not the solution.   I have no respect for anyone who lives off of the backs of others' productive work.  Applying that same standard to Obama and Klintons, they are a lot lower on the totem pole since none of them has ever done a useful, productive thing in their life.  And, as you point out, one of the above doubled the debt of the nation without accomplishing diddly squat except continuing reward of the ultimate scammers on Wall Street for their treachery.

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16 hours ago, taxme said:

Boy, are you ever clueless about politics. Obama may soon be charged with crimes against the American people and you think that he has class? Obama was no conservative. He was no better than lying and crooked Hillary. Trump tells it like it is and speaks political incorrectness and that is why he is hated so much by the lying liberal media and democrats and I guess people like yourself. When Trump says that he wants to drain the swamp that should be good news for all. But instead it would appear as though some here do not want to see that swamp drained. Just what the hell do the people want? A swamp or a clean pool? 

As you know perfectly well, Mrs Clinton was 'crooked' only in the diseased imaginations of the drugged-up trumpers.   As you know, the Pope will soon be charged with raping Mr Trump, and The first twenty Presidents will be shown to be part of the 'swamp'.   As you know, you have still (till Trump gets a grip) got a perfectly good legal system, over which  insane howlings have as yet no influence, so let's see who is charged and who is convicted.   What I'd like to see is a sane President who had at least the competence of a reasonable street-cleaner, and who didn't put us all in danger with his incompetent shambles of a 'government'.

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President Trump is doing just fine...far exceeding expectations that doubted he would ever become president at all.   Like President Obama, he is the product of current but always changing American circumstances, both having defeated the much disliked Hillary Clinton.  That's why the U.S. has federal elections every two years.

Any other nation/national who depends on a U.S. president for their safety is already at the mercy of the U.S. government, regardless of who is president.

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On 4/21/2018 at 7:07 PM, cannuck said:

I refer to Trump as such since he has not earned money from creating wealth, but by speculative gain.  Yes, has had been a builder at one time, but office towers, casinos, golf courses - those are part of the problem, not the solution.   I have no respect for anyone who lives off of the backs of others' productive work.  Applying that same standard to Obama and Klintons, they are a lot lower on the totem pole since none of them has ever done a useful, productive thing in their life.  And, as you point out, one of the above doubled the debt of the nation without accomplishing diddly squat except continuing reward of the ultimate scammers on Wall Street for their treachery.

Trump has certainly created plenty of wealth and jobs for tens of thousands of Americans. Did he kill people to get all his wealth? I don't think so. Soros is a billionaire and all that misfit wants to do is to create chaos, mayhem and havoc and create poverty for America and Europe but for Canada also. Soros is responsible for people being killed. I will take Trump any day to that scum bag. Why would anyone hate a man who syas that he wants to drain the swamp can be so disliked is beyond me. Most of we the people are their own worse enemy. They appear to want to live and enjoy living in the swamp. 

Building casinos, golf courses, office towers and hotels is a solution in helping to try and create more jobs for Americans and for other people in other countries. the Clinton's and Obamarama caused unemployment. Jobs are up in America, not down, thanks to Trump. 

Isn't that what every millionaire and billionaire always do is live off the backs of other's productive work? Soros and Koch Brothers ring a bell? Trump is trying to change what the dumbocrats have done to America and all he ever gets from them and some of we the people is flak. No one wants to give him a break and let's see what he can do. And it is very hard to try and drain the swamp when you have the democrats, the liberal fake and lying MSM and people in your own party who are trying every day to come up with bull chit every week to try and make sure that Trump does not succeed. Wall Street and the Federal Reserve are both enemies of America. Those two are full of zionist globalist elites who are determined to bring Trump down at all costs. 

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On 4/22/2018 at 4:13 AM, Penderyn said:

As you know perfectly well, Mrs Clinton was 'crooked' only in the diseased imaginations of the drugged-up trumpers.   As you know, the Pope will soon be charged with raping Mr Trump, and The first twenty Presidents will be shown to be part of the 'swamp'.   As you know, you have still (till Trump gets a grip) got a perfectly good legal system, over which  insane howlings have as yet no influence, so let's see who is charged and who is convicted.   What I'd like to see is a sane President who had at least the competence of a reasonable street-cleaner, and who didn't put us all in danger with his incompetent shambles of a 'government'.

Mrs. lying and crooked Hillary was diseased from the time she entered politics. At the end of the campaign for the presidency she could hardly stand up on her feet. She kept falling down all the time. No imagination there. It is on the internet you know. 

It's more like the fake and lying MSM will try coming out with a story like Trump tried to rape the Pope. The Russian and Stormy episodes have done nothing to come anywhere close to impeaching Trump but the liars will not give up. The media and democrats liars are constantly trying to get something on Trump and the morons have always failed. Stupid people. 

There is a sane President and his name is Trump. Trump is very competent billionaire who has no interest in putting anyone in danger or in shambles. Stop listening to CNN and CBC and start trying to get the other side of the story that is being told. Try FOX news. I have and I am quite happy that I did so. There is nothing more than listen to people who talk common sense and logic and not the constant emotional foolishness lying talk. Just saying. 

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On 4/21/2018 at 9:36 AM, cannuck said:

President Trump, although he may indeed be an asshole, is the first person in a VERY long time to stand up for the US and try to return its economy to sustainability

Name one single thing Trump has done for the US economy.

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4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Name one single thing Trump has done for the US economy.

I am also trying to remember what Obama and Bush Jr had done for the US economy.  Unless Trump can do one bigger than the crash of 2008.  He's got a way to go yet. But really what past president has done anything for the US economy?

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23 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I am also trying to remember what Obama and Bush Jr had done for the US economy.

If you can find anywhere I ever praised Obama or Bush please let me know. I wasn't a fan.

But that wasn't the question. The statement was he's done so much for the US economy. I'm waiting to hear what that was. 

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17 hours ago, Argus said:

If you can find anywhere I ever praised Obama or Bush please let me know. I wasn't a fan.

But that wasn't the question. The statement was he's done so much for the US economy. I'm waiting to hear what that was. 

I doubt you are going to get a straight answer either way.

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20 hours ago, Argus said:

If you can find anywhere I ever praised Obama or Bush please let me know. I wasn't a fan.

But that wasn't the question. The statement was he's done so much for the US economy. I'm waiting to hear what that was. 

Well if you are only going to only listen to the MSM liberal lying misfits you will never learn or hear anything about what good Trump has been doing for America. All we get from those MSM liars is doom and gloom about what Trump is trying to do. Trump can't even hand out free money to people in need where the MSM will try and find something wrong with it. Pathetic gang of loser actors and activists liars like those at CNN and MSNBC. 

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On 4/23/2018 at 4:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Easier to name lots of things that Trump has done....

It's Trump's Economy Now

Trump is doing far better than Trudeau in Canada.

Yup, Trump sure is alright trying to do what will be good for America. Where Trump is trying to get rid of all the illegals in America, the kid is trying to flood Canada with them. While America's economy goes up Canada's goes down. What a great deal for Canada. 

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On 4/23/2018 at 5:27 PM, GostHacked said:

I am also trying to remember what Obama and Bush Jr had done for the US economy.  Unless Trump can do one bigger than the crash of 2008.  He's got a way to go yet. But really what past president has done anything for the US economy?

Klinton sold out the taxpayers and Main Street big time by signing off Glass Steagall.  Wall Street had already broken or subverted almost every provision of the Act, but when Goldman Sucks' Secretary of Treasury Rubin convinced him to go along with its replacement, he gave the green flag to speculators to shift the Casino Capitalist economy into high gear, defunding Main Street and setting up the "too  big to fail" scenario where greedy banks/finance companies would be rewarded for their treachery by being bailed out by the public, instead of going TU as they should have.

To be fair: Goldman has run the show for almost 80 years, and the Uniparty has been complicit 100%

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On 4/25/2018 at 2:12 PM, taxme said:

Yup, Trump sure is alright trying to do what will be good for America. Where Trump is trying to get rid of all the illegals in America, the kid is trying to flood Canada with them. While America's economy goes up Canada's goes down. What a great deal for Canada. 

It is not the American President's job to do great things for Canada.   But, since Trump has never been productive, he will do little to solve the problem of how the economy works.  Investment has to be shifted from speculative gain (nothing but re-distribution of wealth) to productive endeavours (adding value to resources, or servicing such activities  thus creating wealth) before the whole thing will stop circling around the drain.

By the same token, his job should not be to great things for Wall Street at the expense of Main Street and taxpayers.

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2 hours ago, cannuck said:

It is not the American President's job to do great things for Canada.   But, since Trump has never been productive, he will do little to solve the problem of how the economy works.  Investment has to be shifted from speculative gain (nothing but re-distribution of wealth) to productive endeavours (adding value to resources, or servicing such activities  thus creating wealth) before the whole thing will stop circling around the drain.

 

President Trump has already done this with policies like tax reform that accelerates capital equipment investment with full expense write-off.   Capital has already started to flow out of Canada (e.g. energy development) and into the U.S. because Trudeau and provinces failed to respond to this obvious threat.   Skilled Canadian labour will follow capital flow....another "brain drain".

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/royal-bank-investment-ceo-1.4602161

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On 23/04/2018 at 7:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Easier to name lots of things that Trump has done....

It's Trump's Economy Now

Trump is doing far better than Trudeau in Canada.

This week's chicken dinner award...

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6 hours ago, cannuck said:

It is not the American President's job to do great things for Canada.   But, since Trump has never been productive, he will do little to solve the problem of how the economy works.  Investment has to be shifted from speculative gain (nothing but re-distribution of wealth) to productive endeavours (adding value to resources, or servicing such activities  thus creating wealth) before the whole thing will stop circling around the drain.

By the same token, his job should not be to great things for Wall Street at the expense of Main Street and taxpayers.

That is the job of the kid but he is not doing a bloody thing for Canada at all. Only Trump can save Canada. :D  Trump has never been "productive"?  Have you been asleep for awhile? Trump owns hotels, golf courses, resorts and plenty of businesses on the go and you say that he is not "productive"? Are you trying to be faceeeesssious here? Trump knows how to solve and how to make the American economy work. Trump is a free enterpriser, not a socialist like the kid is. Trump has helped create plenty of new jobs and the unemployment lines are down since Trump became President. Taxes for working Americans has been reduced. Trump is at least trying to do something. What has the kid done for Canada lately? Oh ya, I know? Help flood the country with illegals. One of his "PET" communist projects. 

Everything is all about making the globalist banksters richer in Canada and on Wall Street.  We the people on Main Street are not on that special interest groups list. Are you any richer today thanks to Trudeau? I don't think so. Instead of seeing the cost of living going down it is more like it is always going up. Government "IS" the problem, and never the solution. Daddy Trudeau loves big government. 

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4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

President Trump has already done this with policies like tax reform that accelerates capital equipment investment with full expense write-off.   Capital has already started to flow out of Canada (e.g. energy development) and into the U.S. because Trudeau and provinces failed to respond to this obvious threat.   Skilled Canadian labour will follow capital flow....another "brain drain".

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/royal-bank-investment-ceo-1.4602161

In Canada we have a bunch of liberal big government socialists spenders that are running this country into the ground. Canada could be one of the riches country's in the world but it is our liberal socialist politically correct politicians that are trying to keep this from ever happening. All political party's in Canada always work together to see that we the people shall get more government, more taxes and less freedom. If there are any liberals here that can point out as to what Trudeau has done for Canada and the Canadian people since he was elected like Trump is doing for America please show me where? 

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

This week's chicken dinner award...

And the chicken bones go to wait for it...............and the winner is we the people of Canada. There is nothing better than trying to suck or pull off that little bit of chicken meat that is left on that scrap chicken bone. Finger licking good. :D

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