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In Topic: Canadian Democracy
16 November 2007 - 03:56 PM
How to stop a dictatorship from forming? If a political leader attempts to grab for more power though legislation we have both the courts, able to strike down unjust laws, and the parliament, able to vote down unjust laws. Judges are appointed by the government with the consent of the parliament. If the judge is not trust worthy he/she will not be approved by the parliament. The parliament is accountable to the citizens who can force by-elections if their P2 members are not acting in the interest of the majority of the ridings residents. If political leader attempts to grab for more power illegally with the military, the best safe guard we have is a educated army of middle class background, who will have something to loose in event of a revolution and are therefore unlikely to forgo there pledge of service to Canada and support a coup.
As you can see the strongest way to check the executive power is by having a educated population who are able to hold there government accountable. Not an old lady living in a different country.
As for the Senate, please explain to me the strong and consistent role they have been playing in our democratic system.
Also, P2 members would be banned form belonging or receiving funding from any political party, your right they could be nefarious in there actions but because they are being held directly accountable by there constituents if they step out of line too often and vote agenst their ridings views they will be voted out of power
In Topic: Canada's Next Great Prime Minister
16 November 2007 - 03:32 PM
In Topic: Canadian Democracy
15 November 2007 - 09:06 AM
Your obtuseness is somewhat frightening. I’m not sure where you learned about our political system or the worlds but its clear it was not by actually paying attention to what is and has happened. First if you aren’t going to trust Elections Canada to verify a petition then you can't trust them to verify the elections so you can't trust anyone . . . except the GG according to you, maybe we should have her count all the ballots in every election? If you cant trust your MPs (or P2) not to act covertly then you should rally for a election to vote in someone you can trust. In the current system a citizen cant do that, in “Popular Representation” (witch is what I am calling this new form of government) they can. Meaning that in the PR system our lawmakers are more accountable and thus less able to legally start a dictatorship.
Politics and forms of government exist to rule over people. The type of people they rule over greatly affects how they rule, if they are able to take advantage of their people or if they are kept in check by them. Having a strong constitutional system is important as well to provide the people with the power to hold there elected representatives accountable for there actions. Our system dose not accomplish this well enough, that’s why I propose we re-vamp it to better enfranchise our population.
Lets say for arguments sake though we decide to keep the Sovereign as it is along with the other reforms I have presented. Would you support it?
In Topic: Canadian Democracy
14 November 2007 - 09:00 PM
She doesn't hold a place of power, she is a figurehead.
I agree!!!
but try to tell g_bambino
In Topic: Canadian Democracy
14 November 2007 - 08:43 PM
Who verifies this petition and who calls the election? How do the citizens know these P2s are acting covertly before it’s too late?
Who verifies the petition? Elections Canada. Who calls the election? I don’t know do you want a town crier?
Acting covertly?!?! Well that would be a hell of a conspiracy theory, just like if all the MP right now were acting covertly right now?!?! Dun dun duuuuuu
Similarly, the military owes its allegiance to the Queen, not the PM. Thus, military members who supported anyone - whether sitting PM, ex-PM, or candlestick maker - who was attempting to take absolute power away from the sovereign would also be acting illegally.
No sh*t it would be acting illegally, that’s how coups and dictatorships happen . . . Illegally. Unless the party attempting to become dictators charismatically sweep the nation and convince everyone what they are doing is for there better good. In witch case the people of Canada who the government should be responsible to, will have spoken and the GG has no right step in. so how do we stop legal dictatorships? Well lets start with what kind of people get caught up in them. Usually its poor people who are being told that they are being hard done by and will get a better life if the PM becomes a Dictator.
Who historically don’t get caught up into supporting dictatorships? Educated middle classes families who have a low enough quality of life that they don’t get the benefits of a dictatorship, and a high enough quality of life that they don’t want to jeopardize it by supporting anything radical.
you insult the intelligence of the people of those countries have succumbed to dictatorship
I was commenting that third world countries have far fewer graduates of higher education due to their less developed social infrastructure. I never mentioned the innate intelligence of the indigenous populations, but if you really want to get people riled up, try calling their countries “banana republics.”
The people can't do it collectively, that's why they assign someone to do it for them: the Queen. She's impartial, she works for free, was trained from birth to do her job, will never retire, and she listens to the people of Canada.
She is also not accountable to the Canadian people at all. For all your talk about the Queen, and by extension the GG, stopping a dictator you forget her position is the visage of a dictatorship!!!
Who will the people assign to do it for them you ask? There representative, as the name suggests we vote for these people, we trust them and we hold them accountable. I would rather have people like that holding my executive at check then un-elected foreign national any day of the week.
And just because she isn't a citizen she's foreign?
Yes, I'm preatty sure those are the rules.
As for the queens special status as a none citizen of anywhere, she is still not Canadian, and is still not accountable to Canadians so she should hold no place of power within our political system
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