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Posts posted by marcus

  1. 17 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

    In other words Canadians are raising children to work under immigrant children, interesting. Then Argus says our best and brightest are headed south. This is good for Canada? 

    You are another that believes Canadians have no talent and no ambition, we need to import it, that really is sad. 


    I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. You sound very defensive.

    I am trying to respond to the negativity and flat out misinformation that some here are spewing in regards to immigrants.

    As a whole, immigrants are good for Canada.

  2. 13 minutes ago, taxme said:

    The millions of taxpayer's of all other ethnic groups in this country have also delivered tens of millions of their tax dollars and donations to help in the relief efforts for the people of Fort McMurray. Why are you singling out this group? Are you trying to promote something here? Just asking? 

    I am trying to balance out your constant negativity towards immigrants.


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  3. The reality is that research after research shows that immigrants have a positive impact on Canada. 

    When you look at education and compare children of immigrants vs children of Canadian-born parents, this is what we get:

    Immigrants play an important role in bridging gaps in the labour market, both short and long-term.  Statistics now confirm that the children of immigrants outperform children from Canadian-born parents in educational attainment thus adding another important benefit that immigrants bring to Canada.

    These findings are outlined in a Statistics Canada paper entitled ‘Educational and Labour Market Outcomes of Assessing the Impact of Immigrant Children on Canada Childhood Immigrants by Admission Class’ and reveals that children of immigrants graduate high school at a rate of 91.6 per cent, against 88.8 per cent of children who are third
    generation or more.

    At university, the gap increases, with 35.9 immigrant children graduating against 24.4 per cent from the established Canadian group.

    In educational terms, third generation Canadians are also bettered by every class of refugee in both the high school and university graduation categories.

    Only when it comes to average earnings does the third-generation Canadian group rank on top, at $46,100 compared to $42,900 for immigrants.


  4. 6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    No.  I would understand someone who violently lost a loved one in the west's attacks on their country and their people cheering it on though.  I would understand someone who lost a loved one in the 911 attack, or other attacks, cheering on indiscriminate attacks on Muslims.  I would condone neither, of course.

    Actually we just got back on to it.  The post of mine that you initially responded to was about whether or not it was okay to say what you just said.

    Great. Common ground.

  5. 11 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    I would have to differ with you there.  I would never cheer on a terrorist attack.  I would understand those who have lost loved ones condoning a violent response. 

    So you are okay with people who cheered the 911 attack, or other attacks, who were, one way or another effected by West's attack on their country and people.


    I would not understand those who are upset with a cartoon condoning a violent response.  How about you?

    Obviously that is ridiculous.

    I have no time for idiots who whine about and get so angry about cartoons. 

    Then you have some fxckhead who are willing to kill someone because of it... damn... Please fxck off.

    People are easily insulted and are looking for excuses to feel insulted.

    I'm going to stop talking about this topic. We're derailing the subject. Sort of.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    You do not condemn a family member/countryman of those killed in the drone attack, who cheers a terrorist attack on the West.  Me neither.  I think that would be understandable.  Just like anyone who has a family member killed in a terrorist attack would be okay to support the indiscriminate bombing of the country where the terrorist came from.  Lots of innocent people get killed either way, but violently losing a loved one does that.

    What about what I said though?

    Who said I don't?

    I don't have to pick a side. I am just trying to show you that you are no different than the person who cheers on a terrorist attack. At the end, you are both justifying the death of innocent people.

    I condemn the cycle of violence.

  7. 8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    Bombing a country indiscriminately would be inhuman.  Collateral damage when bombing an enemy while trying to mitigate that damage as much as possible would not be. 

    As for support, like I said, it would be described as something other than inhuman.  It would depend on what they support. 

    But now that you have that off your chest, what's your view of what I said?

    In one breath, you justify attacks committed by the West, like drone attacks, where a large number of those killed are civilians, as "oh well, collateral damage", and then you turn around and condemn a family member/countryman of those killed in the drone attack, who cheers a terrorist attack on the West.

    That's called double standard.

    I believe majority of the wars we have seen in our lifetime did not have to happen and they are inhuman. Pretty much all of these conflicts are not based on altruistic reasons.

    I believe using collateral damage is an excuse to give your support a pass and inhuman.

  8. 59 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    Some of them are.  I believe I posted a picture of one recently.  Maybe in the other thread.  I don't think there should be a problem saying so if it's true. 

    The problem lies in the line between the inhuman and the human.  What does one call a person who would never commit an inhuman act, but is happy to support those who do?  Even if it's only by opinion?  Not inhuman.  Some other disparaging term?

    What is inhuman to you?

    Many find bombing a country indiscriminately where thousands of civilians are killed as collateral damage as inhuman. 

    Are those who have supported military actions in other countries inhuman?

  9. 7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    I thought we were had very high standards for immigrants, such as wealth, education etc., according to the pro immigration members on this forum , these guys are not likely your fruit pickers in Ont . Now refugees are different story and even here there are standards...  reunification you might get some poorly education....

    We have a mix of immigrants. Canada, when compared to other Western countries, is renowned for having an extremely difficult immigration system to go through. This has been the case since Harper/Kenney implemented major changes into our system. Skilled worker applications, which make up a majority of our applications, go through a point system where people who are young, have post secondary education and have high English skills are able to make it through the competitive system. 

    Step 1 - Meet the minimum requirement of one of the skilled worker programs and go into a pool called Express Entry
    Step 2 - Sit in the pool and hope to be picked. Currently, there are around 150K applications in this pool and each month, 7-9K application are selected (and more replace them). Meaning that over 95% of applications that met the minimum requirement, will not be selected and have no chance.

    The competition has created a situation where, someone without a job offer or Canadian work experience, must have at least a Master's degree, be under 30 years old, and have at least 9 (out of 12) in English/French, through IELTS/TEF, which are international language tests.

    Of course, the main applicant's family can come into Canada as dependents.


    Besides I don't think we are going to have a problem once the cerb runs out and the tax man wants his taxes forcing Canadians that have been riding the system to  get really jobs   

    You will always have people who will find ways to take advantage of any system. 

    As far as Canadian employers and the job opportunities in Canada, from my own experience, many companies, whether it's food processing plants, farms or high skilled workers, they really don't have anyone in Canada who are willing to take the jobs OR have the skills to do them. They not only have to show that they have advertised to find Canadians, but they are also bound by strict wage rules. They cannot pay the workers below the prevailing salary for that position. If they are caught breaking the law, there are heavy fines. Immigration Canada has put in processes to audit companies to make sure that their foreign worker, who they have sponsored, are being paid correctly. 

    If I recall, you're from the east coast. From what you see, how are immigrants viewed? Are they looked at as stealing jobs? Lowering pay? Or are they seen as being a positive?

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  10. 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:


    I accept that all you have is personal attacks.

    Thus I also accept your surrender.


    How is that an attack? I'm just in awe of your consistency. You have been warning everyone about how evil Islam and Muslims are and how our society is in danger ever since I started on this forum.

    Every time I see a Muslim, your warnings of them reverberate in my thoughts. I have to be careful though, as sometimes I get them FOBs and goat-herders mixed up. I don't want to get a hindu Indian-Canadian mixed up with a Muslim Indian-Canadian. Also, sometimes I'm not really sure if one of those FOB women is a Muslim or not, because, now get this... only half of Muslim-Canadian women wear the hijab.

    You just never know.

    Never surrender!!!

  11. Here is an example of two provinces, who are experiencing different economic growth:

    New Brunswick vs PEI

    Statistics Canada reported its latest estimates show New Brunswick's economy grew by 1.2 per cent in 2019.  It was the slowest growth in any province east of Manitoba, and the tenth year in a row New Brunswick's economy has expanded at a rate below the national average. 


    Several thousand metres across the Northumberland Strait, however, it has been a completely different decade.

    Prince Edward Island's economy has grown 25.2 per cent over the last 10 years, slightly more than Canada's with growth rates in each of the last five years all above the national average.



    Cory Renner, an economist with the Conference Board of Canada, said a number of  issues differentiate New Brunswick from Prince Edward Island. But the most significant factor in their divergent fortunes is P.E.I.'s success at attracting immigrants and growing its population.


    "The biggest thing that actually explains the growth differentials is that P.E.I. has had a very successful immigration program, said Renner.

    "P.E.I. has had well above average population growth over the last few years, and that good population growth goes back for about a decade. So as you bring in more people, you know, the economy grows, they spend money. And then when you have people, you also attract investment."

    Prince Edward Island adopted aggressive population growth targets early in the 2000s and has welcomed 19,285 immigrants since 2010, triple the per capita amount that has come to New Brunswick.

    Not all have stayed in P.E.I.,  but those who did helped the island grow its population by 13 per cent in 10 years, triggering significant new investments in residential construction and growth in employment and consumer demand. 

    The influx has also helped plug gaps in Prince Edward Island's labour market. 


    10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

    'Drawing down the veil' is ordained in the Quran to prevent abuse. Trouble is...this extends to non-believers of Islam.

    As an expert on Islam and Muslims, glad to have your input.

    I love it when you come in these threads and with high confidence announce the dangers of Islam and Muslims. I mean, take a look at the issues we have right here in Canada, where Muslims are pushing their veils onto our women!

    You have been warning everyone for years. One Muslim terrorist attack after another in Canada.

    Glad to have you here!

    On 11/17/2020 at 10:43 AM, DogOnPorch said:

    Those FOBs that do manage some English...do so in pidgin fashion.

    Could you tell us more about the FOBs?


    That's gotta be a factor, eh? After the dozenth incorrect order at Burger King...I'm thinking so...

    "Frick...only one Whopper, again."

    A man with your class and the love for the finer things in life must enjoy whoppers at least twice a week?

  13. On 11/11/2020 at 11:36 AM, taxme said:

    Nope. I just asked him as to what was his ethnic background. That is not being racist to do so because that is what you really are trying to say here, right?  

    No. I don't think wanting to know the ethnicity of a person is being racist.


    My ethnic background is of British/Irish/Scottish. I am not afraid to say so. I could careless as to who or what is his background or what is comments are. It was just a simple question.

    I was going to make a joke about bland food experience. But I won't.

    There is nothing wrong with your ethnic background. 

    What I do find wrong is making a snap judgement on someone based on their ethnic background, without really knowing them. Sometimes I catch myself doing that from time to time. Sometimes I apply stereotypes, which I don't think is right. But overall, I think, because I meet people from all over the world in my line of work and because of where I live, I've had a lot of experiences with a variety of people. I try to hold my thoughts (judgement) on a person until I have gotten to know them better. I've met good, honest, productive and valuable members of society with a variety of backgrounds. I could say the same for meeting people with negative traits and characteristics. Someone's ethnicity should not define them.

  14. The East Coast provinces are a good example of what would happen if the population declines and jobs are not replaced.

    When dying industries, like fishing and natural resource industries, can no longer support families.

    When people retire and the young people move away to other parts of the country/world.

    This is why the eastern provinces have put into place aggressive immigration programs, to draw would-be immigrants to their provinces, instead of them always going to the usual: Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary.

  15. On 11/3/2020 at 3:00 PM, Argus said:

    And yet that's exactly what you DO.

    No. I don't.

    That's what YOU say I do.

    You lack knowledge and understanding in how our immigration system works and the dynamics in employment.

    On 11/3/2020 at 3:00 PM, Argus said:

    People who have no loyalty to Canada say things like that.

    You believing that a Canadian citizen born in Canada should be treated differently than a Canadian citizen born outside of Canada is absurd.

    On 11/3/2020 at 3:00 PM, Argus said:

    I already posted the stats. You think everything has changed in two years? Well, Trump might have been making it harder to bring people in over the last year or so, and then the covid thing on top of that, but that's likely to change drastically the next few months.

    I could care less. If all they do is provide jobs for foreigners, either temporary or immigrants, then they're of no use to Canadians already here. Tax em out of existence.

    You mean as cheap as possible.

    Keep digging.

    You're not here to have a debate or to learn. You're here to spread your racist views.

    Your views and debating skills are toxic and un-Canadian. 

    I'm going to turn you off for now. Enjoy your echo chamber of bigotry.

  16. 13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

    The fact is, if you left white people alone they'd go extinct.  They're having babies at below replacement levels, and have for decades.  It's the same for most of the young non-white immigrants who come to Canada.

    When more and more people aren't having kids, and the ones that do typically don't have more than 2, well then you're in a bit of a spot.  If this is caused by anyone, it's caused by people born in Canada.

    420k+ per year is a lot.  The Liberals have increased immigration by around a third.  They'll keep increasing it.

    Youth registrations in hockey, little league, swimming etc. are on the decline.  Registrations in soccer and basketball keep going up.  The country is changing.

    How do these inevitable changes (transition) make you feel?

  17. 3 hours ago, Argus said:

    You did.

    I didn't.

    I never "defended bringing in desperate third world people to keep wages low."

    You lie.

    3 hours ago, Argus said:

    Any of them born here?

    I don't care. A citizen is a citizen.

    3 hours ago, Argus said:

    Ah, I see, so Canada doesn't have enough workers to fill jobs in the technology sector -- which is why two thirds of recent software engineering grads leave the country? Yes, yes, that makes soo much sense! Clearly they're confused by all the offers they get from companies like yours offering high salaries!

    How recent?

    Are you digging into your archive of old news again?

    Your problem is that you cannot comprehend that things are always in a state of flux. There are many more tech companies in Canada this year, then there were even 3 years ago.

    My company doesn't focus on technology, but we do have tech roles in our company. Despite offering very competitive salaries to hire programmers and software engineers, it's very difficult to find employees. This is the case for many of our clients, Canadian and American tech companies, who have a difficult time finding tech workers.

    This has nothing to do with wages. Salaries are usually over $85K/year with majority over $100K. The problem is that there is a shortage of workers. Not only Canadian graduates, but also graduates all over the world.

    The tech industry doesn't see borders. They just want to hire as many capable as possible. 

    3 hours ago, Argus said:

    The reality of scummy companies like yours exploiting immigrants for profit? Yeah, I can grasp that very clearly.

    You seem to think you know so much about what we do. Give me an example of this exploitation by our company.

    If you like, I can give you many examples of your toxic mindset.

  18. 3 hours ago, Argus said:

    Wait? I thought there was a shortage of tech workers in Canada? When there's a shortage wages are supposed to rise.

    But that's not happening, right? Because of all the immigrants flooding in to take those low-wage jobs.

    They are rising. Are you not reading the wealth of information being shared here?

    The number of tech companies, jobs and salaries are rising. The wage gap is getting closer.

  19. 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

    Well, I certainly wouldn't leave my country to earn more money, but I already live in the United States.  Consulting gigs pay well in Saudi Arabia and Dubai too, but I wouldn't go there for the money.  

    Losing Canadian immigrants to the United States labour force only adds to Canada's net migration bleeding. Canada becomes a stepping stone.

    This is what the latest discussion is about. The tide is changing. Tech companies, jobs and salaries in Canada are increasing. The movement is reversing.

  20. 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:


    Hell, the immigrants to Canada are going "south" to find jobs too.   Why would Canada bring in immigrant workers only to have them seek employment in the United States ?

    This is true. It still happens. Despite the gap getting closer, U.S. companies are still paying engineers and tech workers more money. Do you blame anyone who wants to be paid more?

  21. 6 hours ago, Argus said:

    Oh, that's funny coming from a guy who defends bringing in desperate third world people to keep wages low.

    What? Who said this is what I do?

    You get angry when I correct you and then you go and make shit up. You are so toxic.

    Almost all of our employees are Canadian citizens. The two foreign workers that work for our company are making more than $20k over the median salary in Canada. Are they making more than you? Does it matter? No. You can't do what they do. If you can, send over your resume. We're desperate to find skilled tech workers!

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    The free market works for employees too. If there's a shortage of workers you should be raising wages.

    Are you not reading what is being shared here? Because of free market and the demand for skilled workers, the salaries ARE going up in Canada. Why are so resistant to reality?

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    Then maybe all those Canadian parents wouldn't have to see their kids going thousands of miles away to find work. But no, slimy companies like yours short-circuit that by bringing in masses of foreign labour to work cheap.

    You are toxic.

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    Right. Two thirds of recent software engineers have to go south because the shit salaries you offer won't pay their student loans, but according to you they're more interested in 'quality of life'. Except quality of life in Toronto is nowhere near as good as in places like Austin or Denver or San Diego.

    Your toxic mind is spewing anger and incoherent ramblings.

    A recent graduate in engineering or tech in Canada, at one point, went down south, because there were many jobs in Silicon Valley that paid over $100K. Same thing with Indian graduates in tech. They went to the U.S., because of better opportunities.

    More recently, especially in the past few years, there are fewer people doing that. Why? Because Canada has become more desirable. Part of it is due to the increase in number of jobs, which has resulted in an increase in salary. But there are other factors as well.


    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    Who gives a shit about your booming industry if it doesn't employ Canadians?

    Who said Canadians are not being employed? Why do you make shit up?

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    I want companies like yours to be run out of business.

    It's not going to happen, due to supply and demand. Why are you so against the free market?

    Are you asking for regulations on who companies can hire? Do you want Canada to implement a no brown people policy, because Argus doesn't like non-white people?

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    Not at all. I want them to not be able to bring in foreign workers. Let the wages rise or fall with supply and demand.

    You don't seem to get it. 

    Canada and the U.S. do not have enough workers to fill jobs in the technology sector, so they have to look outside of the country for these skilled workers.

    Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

    Are you reading this?

    Is your hate for brown people and your toxic mindset preventing you from understanding reality?

    6 hours ago, Argus said:

    I want those sweatshop employers like yours who hire foreigners while Canadians have to leave the country to find decent salaries to be run out of Canada, along with their sleazy owners.

    What are you talking about?

    The difference between the salaries for a software engineer, between U.S. and Canada is $140,000 vs $100,000. 

    Brown people will continue to move to Canada, and they will continue to improve Canada, and there is nothing you can do to stop that.

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  22. 27 minutes ago, Argus said:

    Because US immigration, even though it's risen quite a bit in the last dozen years or so, is still only at .34% of their population per year. Canada's immigration is at .85% of the population (now rising to 1.1%)

    Numbers matter.


    Are you talking about Permanent Residency? Because that's not what I'm talking about and it's not what the discussion of foreign workers is about.

    We're talking about foreign workers.

    Understanding immigration matters.

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