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  1. Are you saying Israel should have accepted states as neighbors that would inevitably be armed to the teeth?

    Do any of those plans involve recognizing Israel as a Jewish state and providing guarantees of peace? Not just a houdna?

    Yes. All of the plans would recognize Israel as a state (not "Jewish State") as it is not required by international law. There would also be peace and normalization of relations. It's in the Peace Initiative. Check out what the leaders of all Western countries have said about the peace plan. It's only Israel that does not accept the plan or even try to negotiate based on the plan. This is another indication that Israel is not interested in resolving this issue and would rather see the cycle continue. This will allow them to continue their illegal expansion and annexation of Palestinian land.


  2. The "Palestinians" were offered states of their own on numerous occasions, each of which they turned down. They have continued a state of asymmetrical warfare against Israel and its citizens. Are you saying Israel should not defend itself?

    No one would accept the "offered states" by Israel under the conditions that they have been offered.

    That said, the Palestinians have not only accepted Israel within the internationally recognized borders but they have also offered several plans to the Israelis which they have rejected. There have been plans by the Arab League, by GWB and several other offers, but Israel has refused all of them. Why? Because Israel wants to continue what it is doing, which is expansionism and the suppression of the Palestinians.


  3. I think you mean "scapegoat"....which ironically comes from the Hebrew term azazel:

    And Aaron shall place lots upon the two he goats: one lot "For the Lord," and the other lot, "For Azazel."

    Which is all the more reason why the Palestinians have screwed things up so badly for so long. Other groups have succeeded with non-violence and sanctions, while they continue to fight a losing strategy. Sad.....no more Kennedys to shoot either.

    Scapegoat. I appreciate the correction.

    Majority of Palestinians have been practicing non-violence. Non-violent protests are a norm in the Occupied Territories. Especially in the recent years and especially if you compare the violence from the Israeli side. One look at the number of deaths, injured and property damage and it's obvious who is practicing violence. It's just that you are either willingly or unwillingly following the Zionist propaganda in labeling the wrong side as the violent ones.


  4. Nope....."Zionism" is still going strong while its regional enemies are destabilized. Hamas is broke....

    Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us. - Golda Meir

    Hamas is just a scape-goat. If it's not Hamas, it will be another boogyman to excuse the Zionist behaviour.

    South Africans were broke, but things changed there. You will soon learn that no matter how much money you throw at the military or propaganda, it is only a matter of time that human rights will win.

    The people of the world already acknowledge Israel's violations. The governments are next to follow:

    12 more EU countries warn against trade with Israeli settlements - Diplomacy and Defense


  5. I think a better comparison would be to compare the Zionist regime to the South African Apartheid government. A racist government with no care for human rights and international law.

    Apartheid South Africa did not have the powerful lobby that heavily influences the biggest power in the world, U.S. which also has a mainstream media that practices self-censorship when describing the conflict. So that's why it's taking longer to change. But the momentum is strong and we will see the fall of Zionism.


  6. Who has the right to defend themselves? Only the chosen people?

    State Dep’t says Israel has a right to defend itself, but can’t say the same of Palestinians

    Spokesperson Jen Psaki began by stating:

    No country can accept rocket fire aimed at civilians, and we certainly support Israel’s right to defend itself against these attacks.”

    This exchange followed, at 9:25 in the video above:

    QUESTION: But you feel that sort of the Israeli air raids, like maybe hundreds of them so far this day, are proportionate to the rockets?

    MS. PSAKI: That’s not – I wouldn’t validate the accuracy of that number, but I would say, Said –

    QUESTION: Okay. Well, the sorties – there are hundreds of sorties.

    MS. PSAKI: I would say, Said, that I don’t think any country would be expected to allow rockets to come in and threaten the lives and health and well-being of the citizens in their country, and Israel has the right to defend themselves.

    QUESTION: Okay. Do you believe that the Palestinians in Gaza have the right to defend themselves?

    MS. PSAKI: I think – I’m not sure what you’re getting at, Said.

    QUESTION: I am asking you: Do they have the right to defend themselves against Israeli aggression?

    MS. PSAKI: What are you specifically referring to? Is there a specific event or a specific occurrence?

    QUESTION: Do they have the right to respond to Israeli rocketing and bombing their homes, their houses, their areas, their schools?

    MS. PSAKI: We’re talking about attacks from a terrorist organization, Said. I don’t think you’re –

    QUESTION: No, but there is also a population –

    MS. PSAKI: — we’re having a conversation about what’s happening here.

    QUESTION: I mean, you agree that there is a civilian population in Gaza that is also subject to –

    MS. PSAKI: Certainly, and the threat, as I mentioned earlier, to civilian populations is of great concern to us. And that’s one of the reasons why we’re so focused on encouraging all sides to de-escalate.


  7. But Israel didn't kidnap and murder children did they?

    I can see how this debate will go into perpetuity. Anything Hamas does is warranted because Israel is this evil apartheid state.

    I haven't defended the murdering of the teens.

    I am wondering about this strange outcry by Israelis and Jews who, for some reason, find it quite devastating that 3 teens have been killed, when hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by Israel in the past several years. Not only that, but Palestinian children are regularly kidnapped and held without charge. Several human rights organizations have accused Israel of torturing these kids.

    Several weeks ago, two children were killed by the IDF. Both were caught on video. The kids were not doing anything but standing.

    When your sympathy only reaches out to the children of one nation alone, you have condemned all of them to this atrocious cycle of violence.

    In the two to three weeks following the abduction of the three Israeli boys, at least eight Palestinians were killed during Israel’s military responses in both Gaza and the West Bank. Among them were 10-year-old Ali al-Awour, 15-year-old Mohammad Dudeen and 22-year-old Mustafa Hosni Aslan. Ali died of wounds from an Israeli missile strike in northern Gaza; Mohammad was killed by a single live bullet in the village of Dura; Mustafa was killed by live bullets in Qalandiya refugee camp during clashes with an Israeli military raid.

    Source


  8. So you're saying Israel killed those kids? There was 2 years of relative peace.

    Peace isn't good bidness in the ME or something?

    Israel has killed several Palestinian children in this so-called relative peace, where Israel continued to increase its settlements and annex land, going against past and present agreements to halt settlement activity.


  9. Israel is always looking for an excuse to create instability. Whether it's in the occupied territories or surrounding areas such as Lebanon and Syria. They feed on instability and division. This is how they can continue their occupation and expansion and prevent the other sides from gaining strength and a stronger voice through stability. It has been a while since their carnage in the Gaza strip and with the formation of a unified Palestinian government, it was time to release the fireworks.


  10. Brainless blather with nothing behind it but religious hate.

    Two former Israeli prime ministers were leaders of Zionist terrorist groups. Terrorist groups such as Lehi and Irgun. These are groups who massacred innocent people and burnt down homes to drive them out of their homes and villages. These are groups who blew up hotels, such as the King David hotel, where over 90 people were killed.

    This is how Israel was born.

    I'd continue, but first you need to learn about and acknowledge Zionism's terrorist roots before we can move forward to learn about how Israel and Zionism terrorize the Palestinians today.


  11. Nope....the "Zionists" do not kidnap and murder Olympic athletes (Munich 1972).

    The Zionists kidnap Palestinians on a daily basis. They are kept in prisons, tortured and in some occasions, die as a result. Some of the kidnapped, who are held without charge and tortured are children.

    Zionism is terrorism.

    Zionism used terrorism to push its agenda just before Israel came to be and it continues to use terrorism in its occupation and expansionism.


  12. Israel is a racist state that has been terrorizing Palestinians for decades with the support of USA and the UK. The world is learning day by day, despite the distortions from the propaganda machine that depicts the victim as the aggressor and vise versa. Today's Zionists share the same fascist mentality of Germans who killed many Jews in the past. Now, thanks to videos and ease of communication, there is a backlash against the Zionist propaganda. Many progressive Jews too are denouncing the apartheid regime in Israel. History will treat Zionism in the same category with Fascism. 

    Here is the good police of Jerusalem protecting its Arab resident:


  13. This is my opinion, i don't think Iran is stable enough to have Nuclear wpns, Why is it that the west does not want them with any nuclear capabilities....Iran has not proven to be that stable guy

    I would take the Israeli and American General's opinion over yours and Netanyahu's.

    Of course the Western governments would not want any country to go to nuclear. Especially a country that doesn't sing the same political tunes as most of the West. Namely, its stance and criticism of Israel.

    I am glad to see that the U.S. is engaging Iran. This is the only way to go.


  14. Spare everybody the gung-ho war bravado! In truth both Israel and Iran have everything to lose, no question after Iran gets it's nuclear deterrant to US/Israel's war.

    Haven't you ever heard the word 'obscene' used for that sort of talk?

    It's obscene for two reasons. One, it shouldn't even be contemplated by decent people. And two, Iran would never use nuclear weapons on Israel. And vice versa after Iran has it's own to strike back.

    Go Iran! There in lies the greatest hope for the 21st. century! And not discounting the very minimal risk that either side would want to commit suicide on behalf of their country.

    I am not sure how your comments are a response to mine. I don't think you really understood my comments.


  15. I think Israel has the most to lose here, regardless who is in power ...for them it is life and death...

    While what they have said does not come out and say Iran is a whacky state, why is all of them say Iran is not going to get Nuclear wpns period....all opitions are on the table....if Iran was a cool calm memeber of the world then why not....and yet the world has spoken and said no ...why ? is it deep down they think Iran is whacked and is not to be trusted with a Nuclear wpn...Why is Iran not able to obtain a Nuclear wpn, while the world stood by and allowed India, Pakistan....

    I think Iran has more to lose than Israel since Iran does not have the top military in the world backing it up and protecting it. The U.S. has bases surrounding Iran, pointing its weapons at it. If Iran were to ever think about using nuclear weapons (after having the technology), they would be attacked right away.

    The notion that Israel should be able to get away with its aggressive military actions, undeclared nuclear weapons, unwillingness to sign the NPT, its continuous expansion in the Occupied Territories because it is "about its survival" or "about its security" is an old and tired excuse and PR scheme which not many people buy any more.


  16. "Irrational regimes" like Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear arms and it is a mistake to think Tehran's ambitions can be contained, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on U.S. television.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/11/us-nuclear-iran-netanyahu-idUSTRE66A1FI20100711

    "So when the president (Obama) says that he's determined to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons and that all options are on the table, I think that's the right statement of policy."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/11/us-nuclear-iran-netanyahu-idUSTRE66A1FI20100711

    President Obama told the crowd that "diplomacy backed by pressure" could succeed. He added that, "Iran's leaders should understand that I do not have a policy of containment; I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

    http://www.cfr.org/iran/candidates-us-iran-policy/p26798?cid=ppc-Google-issue_tracker-president_on_iran&gclid=COStsorT_r4CFXMR7AodQF0A1A

    During that debate, Romney stated that it was "unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon," and referenced the range of economic, diplomatic, and military measures he would employ to deter Tehran. "If you'd like me as the next president, they will not have a nuclear weapon," he said.

    http://www.cfr.org/iran/candidates-us-iran-policy/p26798?cid=ppc-Google-issue_tracker-president_on_iran&gclid=COStsorT_r4CFXMR7AodQF0A1A

    And your right maybe some people within Iran are reasonable, but here is some world leaders that think a little differently, they either think Iran and it's leadership is a little whacked....or they agree that perhaps Iran is not ready for a nuk wpn.....

    Bibi's words have no weight or credibility. He is just a slimey salesman who has been crying about how Iran is a few months away from nuclear weapons since the early 90's. The rest of the quotes you have posted do not discount what I posted earlier, which is that the Iranians are not 'crazy' or irrational.

    The truth is that you cannot have a militarily aggressive country like Israel, who is not willing to sign the NPT or allow inspections of their nuclear weapons and expect its neighbours to sit silent. Threats and sanctions did not stop Iran's nuclear program. It increased it. We're now seeing that negotiations and engagement are doing a lot more than the other approach.

    Perhaps the U.S. has learned that bullying and threats and Israel's policy of no engagement is not the way to go. Obama has done the right thing by abandoning Bibi's approach, which had become U.S. policy towards Iran.


  17. Iraq could be on its way to being Syria #2.

    It looks like Iran is reaching out to the U.S. to assist them with the Al Quaeda problem. Just like they did with Afghanistan. Iran offered the same collaboration in Afghanistan after 9/11. The Bush administration blew it. Maybe this administration will make the correct decision this time.

    Exclusive: Alarmed by Iraq, Iran open to shared role with U.S. - Iran official

    Tehran is open to the possibility of working with the United States to support Baghdad, the senior official said.

    "We can work with Americans to end the insurgency in the Middle East," the official said, referring to events in Iraq.

    "We are very influential in Iraq, Syria and many other countries."

    For many years, Iran has been aggrieved by what it sees as U.S. efforts to marginalize it. Tehran wants to be recognized as a significant player in regional security.


  18. The problem is, that Obama was more interested in appeasing, than leading. He's more interested in bumper sticker slogans, than making hard choices. So now, in year 6 of his administration, he's essentially handed over Iraq, and soon Afghanistan to Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He's wrong on both counts, as well as being wrong on Russia. His entire foreign policy can be described and summarized as simply, wrong. And this is what his bumbling VP had to say about his Iraq decision just a few short years ago...

    The term facepalm doesn't do this miserable failure of an administration justice.

    The previous administration was all about the bumper sticker slogans. It started when he prematurely claimed "Mission Accomplished". Throwing your hands in the air and blaming the doomed policy started by the previous administration on Obama is not an honest way to look at the situation. All you are doing is feeding your need to partisanship.


  19. IRan is certainly rational, but their national goals and objectives include fomenting war on others as a matter of policy.

    Lebanon and Syria are Iranian proxies tasked with doing what Iran cannot do overtly: eliminate all traces of Israel and all traces of the Jewish population from the planet. Period.

    You were doing OK with some apparently rational discourse above until you lumped Israel in with Pakistan and North Korea. Oops! Boo-boo!

    Of all the four countries: North Korea, Pakistan, Iran and Israel, only Israel has been getting into wars with its neighbours, consistently for the past 40 years. The circumstances of each of those have varied but an identity has been formed: Israel is a militarily aggressive country. Sure, the powerful PR machine has successfully painted the picture of a country cornered by aggressive, Jew-hating countries; case in point: "eliminate all traces of Israel and all traces of the Jewish population from the planet. Period." However, these claims are contrary to reality for several reasons. One being that Iran has the second highest population of Jews in the Middle East. One should look at Israel's actions in Lebanon and in the Occupied Territories to see that Israel is the most aggressive country in that region and their actions have been one of the main catalysts for the instability in the region. This is why Israel has been a consistent supporter of most of the authoritarian governments and not democracy. Israel counts on instability to keep the neighbours from unifying. One can argue that this strategy is a deterrent so the Arab world and the Iranians do not form a unified voice and possible military unity that could endanger Israel's strategy and agenda.

    For things to improve, the unequal playing field and the economic and military bullying needs to be changed. It looks like the Obama administration is finally accepting this reality and acknowledges that the status quo is unsustainable. The world is a different place than it was two decades ago. The world has become more vocal about US' one-sided and unfair approach to the region. US has no other choice but to adapt otherwise the old and the emerging powers will side-step the U.S. The U.S. should put itself ahead of other countries, such as Israel's interests otherwise the U.S. will continue to be dragged down by its unsustainable foreign policy, which has been strongly influenced by Israel.

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