Yzermandius19

I always enjoy watching die-hard Trump haters squirm and pretend like they aren't a bigger help to Trump achieving his agenda than his supporters are. Trump has the most counter-productive haters of any politician that I have ever seen in my lifetime, and that's saying something.

Never said Canada doesn't buy from elsewhere, but when Canadians buy Chinese goods and services, it's because they preferred them to goods and service located in other nations, and how cheap the products and services are has a big impact on that decision. Banning Chinese exports will cost Canadian consumers more than $38 billion by forcing them to buy elsewhere, Canada won't save any money by doing that, they will lose money doing that. Bet that.

Buying from elsewhere wouldn't be cheaper, or we'd already being buy from there instead of China without any need for tariffs. Raising the price of Chinese goods means that the price of goods in Canada will be more expensive, which equals less spending by Canadians who can't afford those prices, which equals lost jobs. Tariffs are tax on national consumers, not on foreign exporters, national consumers lose more than the foreign exporters, the only one who wins are the subsidized non-competitive national industries that need tariffs to survive, everyone else loses, but the consumers lose the most.

To wit, More Canadian jobs need Chinese exports than Chinese jobs that need Canadian exports, Canada loses, huge.

I understand that not buying China's stuff means Canadians will have to spend more than $38 billion to get the same shit from somewhere else, and a lot of Canadians wouldn't spend that extra money for the same amount of products and services, and that means a lot of jobs in Canada would no longer exist. Your delusion that Canada holds a winning hand in a trade war with China is laughable, keep the comedy coming.

You obviously think you know a lot about economics, but you're mistaken and have an inflated sense of your knowledge of the topic. /shrugs

The trade deficit is proof that Canadians buy more Chinese products and services than the Chinese buy Canadian products and services. Which means Canadians benefits more from trade with China than the Chinese benefit from trade with Canada. /shrugs

Canadians spend more on Chinese exports than the Chinese spend on Canadian exports. Canadians will lose more than the Chinese will, China will just sell to countries other than Canada, and other countries want Chinese exports more than they want Canadian exports, so China will do better selling their exports to other nations than Canada will. Canada has no way to win that trade war, so embracing a trade war with China makes no sense from where Canada is sitting.

My point is that, if Canada wants a trade war with China and gives the world an ultimatum, Canada or China? The world is going to choose China, even with it's weaknesses, the world likes money, and China has a lot more of it than Canada does. So escalating shit with China, that isn't going to end in Canada's favor, so Canadians welcoming a tit for tat battle with China because of ideological opposition to China's repressive government, they are in for a rude awakening if they ever got their wish.

Even if they did, more than 6x (or 12x if you go by GNP) the stuff to bribe other nations with makes the decision a no brainer, especially given that China is only going to increase that gap in the near future. Canada loses early in the first round of that hypothetical trade war.

The world has no need of Canada. The world likes cheap consumer and electronic goods, the Chinese economy is far more important to the world than Canada's economy. China has plenty of friends and allies, everyone likes China, because no one who isn't living in China gives a shit about their repressive government, because that government isn't repressing them, it's repressing foreigners, but the money China makes them, that they do give a shit about, and China makes the world more money than Canada does. I'm not talking about the moral high ground here, that means nothing, the only thing the world cares about is the financial high ground, morality comes after. For you to pretend like a $1.6 trillion GDP economy is more important to the world than a $12.2 trillion GDP economy is laughable, they are six times the size, they dwarf Canada. Get in a trade war with an economy that dwarfs your own, and you are going to get your ass handed to you, not the other way around. Morality shmorality, realpolitik doesn't give a shit. /shrugs

Yeah Trump picked when the Dems took control of the house so he could blame them, and it's going to work more and more the longer the shutdown drags on. Winning back the house is not a mandate to not properly fund border security just to obstruct Trump. The Republicans control the Presidency and the Senate and have a bigger mandate than Democrats, the Dems don't have a mandate to keep the government shutdown over not willing to let Trump fulfill his most famous campaign promise.

None of which includes even a penny for the wall, that's not showing a willingness to negotiate.

The issue is Democrats don't care about funding the rest of the government, just obstructing Trump, those are not good optics.

Canada has a limited set of options for escalating tit for tat with China. The world needs China more than they need Canada, we ain't going to win a trade war with them, if the world is given an ultimatum, Canada or China? They are choosing China, no contest. You are only analyzing one side of the coin through a confirmation bias filter, you want Canada to have the high ground on this, but they don't, wishful thinking.