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  1. 21 hours ago, Marocc said:

    If the system works and it has been made known I see no reason why anyone would need to go to the grocery. At the same time that kind of systems always have problems. Such deliveries, unless they are a new system due to the situation, are not planned to be made to that many people. Some of the employees are bound to stop working when they can't show up sick or they can afford to not work at this time. Then they need to make sure they have a ton of stuff in their storages or the groceries the delivery people get the stuff from. Assuming they don't just go to any grocery. The individuals can go to any grocery.

    People are still likely to not have the virus when they return. There is no reason to over dramatise it.

    Over dramatize the fact that rural communities are not equipped to take care of their own RESIDENTS during this crisis.  What about sheltering in place don't these people get.  What about over-burdened health facilities don't they get.  It is beyond belief that some part-time cottagers can't check their privilege during this time.

  2. On 3/29/2020 at 1:12 PM, eyeball said:

    Aside from people venturing out for supplies or to work I wonder how many are simply just trying to get back home to where they feel safest? Kids and grandkids, maybe they're scared or maybe their financial resources have dwindled. It's getting complicated and some are undoubtedly returning to their roots because they don't know what else to do.  

    Home is where they should be staying, eyeball.  They were told to shelter in place.  That does not mean traveling to your part-time cottage in a rural area. 

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  3. On 3/28/2020 at 8:49 AM, Rue said:

    I kind of sympathize. If I had a nice cottage why not go tyere to die. I threw the  last two words in. I am a tad melodramatic. Too much sugar in my coffee. Some of this I think though makes sense. Why not if you have the cottage. You got some beautiful places there Mo. When  I grew up in Montreal it was easy to have and drive to your cottage. I miss it in Trunteh. It's so expensive in Toronto to also have a cottage. 

    "Why not if you have a cottage?"  As symptoms don't show up right away, it is easy for people to think..........'oh I'll just go up to the cottage and get away from heavily infected areas'.  Trouble is if they do come down with the virus, we DO NOT have the facilities to manage our own, let alone those from away.  It is really just that simple.  Don't further burden a system that is barely able to take care of it's own citizens at the best of times.

  4. 4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

    Here in Finland the southern part of the country in which I live also has been separated from the rest of the country because the virus is more prevalent here and such a measure is taken to protect the rest of the country.

    In the past few days many people here have escaped to their second homes in the rest of the country because they think they are safer there, which is the ultimate show of selfishness as those more remote areas don't have the health resources to cope with a large amount of people falling ill.

    Sounds familiar, TSS.  I live in a rural area in northern BC and our health resources are minimal at best.  The population of our specific area is 20,000 souls and we have but 64 acute care beds in our small hospital.  Other communities don't even have a hospital.  Lately we've seen many people from the Lower Mainland coming up early to open their cottages.  The CRD (a local form of government) had to enact regulations that will force these people to a 14-day quarantine and they are to come prepared for the duration - no stopping to shop or visit.  Straight to your cabin and stay their until the self-isolation period is up.  We are all hoping that they will do just that. 

  5. On 3/26/2020 at 1:24 PM, Moonbox said:

    I'm not so sure that it was a deliberate power-grab, but rather just something they wanted to do to avoid delays on further action down the road.  It was a poor decision and even poorer attempt regardless, and the government ought to be embarrassed that they even tried.  

    If it was just something that they wanted to do to avoid delays then why weren't they upfront with the Opposition parties and provincial premiers from the beginning?   Why wait until the very day they were to read the bill in the HoC before releasing their final draft?  

    I can well understand that the government needs the ability to move quickly to respond to new developments during this crisis but that does not give them the right to forgo Parliamentary approval which as has just been demonstrated, can take place in a a day or two. 

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  6. 10 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

    I mean, come on. Extinction Rebellion, they're not even hiding their intentions.

    They want to make the boomers extinct.

    "Climate group Extinction Rebellion (XR) say they are investigating a series of “dangerous” coronavirus posts by an account using their name.

    An account named XR East Midlands (@xr_east) have caused outrage after tweeting “abhorrent” messaging stating coronavirus is a “cure”.

    The account posted a series of covid19 messages over the last 24 hours suggesting the deadly virus was a "cure" for the "disease" caused to the environment by humans.

    One post reads: "The undeniable truth is, the Earth is recovering, thanks to Corona."

    Another previous Tweet said: "Earth is healing. The air and water is clearing. Corona is the cure. Humans are the disease!"

    The posts were accompanied by photoshopped images of street posters stating "Corona is the cure. Humans are the disease" and branded with the Extinction Rebellion logo.

    Young Greens (@YoungGreenParty) branded the posts "absolutely abhorrent"

    When the rogue account was confronted about the messages by outraged critics they doubled down on their stance.

    They stated: "The point of activism is to shock people, out of their complacency.

    "Like art, it is meant to provide a different point of view to that we are accustomed.

    "We are pointing out that from the perspective of the Earth, humans behave like a disease. The idea is not to be."


  7. On 3/23/2020 at 10:35 PM, ProudConservative said:

    Look at our communist government acting like a bunch of despotic dictators.

    "Liberal bill on coronavirus would give feds power to spend, tax without parliamentary approval"


    So, in a National Health Crisis, the minority liberal government got together with the Opposition parties and provincial premiers to strike a deal for a financial bail-out package that is much needed to help Canadians and Canadian businesses in these trying times.

    Everyone agreed that it was necessary and supported the bill as it was then presented to them.

    All federal parties agree to send a set number of MPs to the HoC for an extraordinary recall of Parliament.

    And yesterday they gathered expecting that this would be passed in the House and sent to the Senate at the end of the day.

    Done deal, right?


    Unbeknownst to ALL opposition members the underhanded hubristic MINORITY liberal government saw this Health crisis as a great opportunity to sneak a few little extras into the bill without informing the opposition  - in a bid to give themselves almost unlimited powers over any financial dealings. 

    Specifically,  "It allowed the finance minister to tax, spend and borrow with impunity, but without parliamentary approval, until the end of next year." (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-liberals-cant-help-being-opportunistic-with-their-covid-19-aid-bill)

    Until DECEMBER 2021 no less.

    Rightfully and thankfully for Canadians, Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition united in furor over this unprecedented grab for power. 

    Instead of the much vaunted ease of the bill flying through the HoC by the PM, chaos ensued resulting in the suspension of the House until such a time as all parties could agree on a final draft.

    Consensus was reached around midnight last night.

    The Opposition parties held strong and the final bill deals ONLY with financial aid and the measures necessary to see the money distributed. 

    With all my heart, I thank each and every single member of the Opposition for standing strong for Canadian democracy. 


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  8. On 3/22/2020 at 9:31 AM, bcsapper said:

    Yeah, me too.  I didn't skip a beat when I was told to self isolate. 


    Add me to the list.  My friends don't call me a hermit for no reason.  Got my pup and my cat for company and oodles of great books to read.  Stocked up on groceries long ago and have a neighbor with lots of TP he bought months ago from Costco - good to go, I am.

  9. On 3/22/2020 at 8:32 AM, betsy said:

    There's the keyword there.  Look at the students celebrating March break on a beach!  Didn't we all feel invincible at a certain age?

    Mind you....it's their parents or, most likely their grandparents, or anyone with underlying conditions  who are vulnerable.  Maybe, a lot of young ones can afford to celebrate and disregard the warning (as long as they don't carry them back to their vulnerable kins).

    I felt invincible when I was much younger but I also knew that if I broke the rules there were consequences. 

    So I guess the kids should just set up house on the beach?  Because home is exactly where they would be headed at the end of the day.  Every single one a possible vector for the virus. 

  10. On 3/20/2020 at 3:55 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

    Far better. Every single African nation's environmental record is far worse than any first world western nation's environmental record, by several orders of magnitude. Getting hung up on per capita carbon emissions is a total canard.

    Photo reminds me of the aftermath of a climate change protest.  ;)

  11. 43 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Yes.  Also, you can use paper towels.  Many Russians use cut up newsprint.  Worse comes to worst, set aside a few rags to use to clean yourself and wash afterwards, just like the old baby nappies.  These are not real problems.

    When I was a very young girl growing up on a farm in SK, we had an outdoor biffy and the Eaton's or Simpson-Sears catalogue - worked a charm they did. 

  12. 3 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

    The panic was a good way to get people to stock up, but those supplies won't last forever. Now is the time to declare martial law in Canada. Anyone caught outside their home can be sent to prison for up to 1 year.

    If we close all our borders and forced everyone to stay inside their home for 3 weeks, the virus would burn itself out. 

    The government needs to shut down every city and small town at once.... and all other countries agree to do it at the same time.

    Any country that doesn't have a complete shutdown, get's banned from our borders.

    If they don't do the shutdown in sync, than people will continue to spread the virus.

    What they can't be doing is wack a mole shutdowns. That will lead to a great depression

    Everyone agrees to do the shutdown at once, or we let millions die.

    "Now is the time to declare martial law in Canada. Anyone caught outside their home can be sent to prison for up to 1 year."

    According to the latest numbers, the people who have recovered from the virus by far outnumber those who have died.  And of those who have succumbed to the virus, most had underlying health conditions.  There is no need to declare martial law and the idea that someone would be sent to jail for a year should they break any such draconian measure is ludicrous. 

    "If we close all our borders and forced everyone to stay inside their home for 3 weeks, the virus would burn itself out."

    "Wuhan residents have been under lockdown for over six weeks now as a result of COVID-19  ..." and they still are.



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  13. 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

    Nike reports they are shuttering all stores in America, and world-wide.
    Nike to shut all its stores in the US, other parts of the world amid coronavirus fears

    I fear that this is only the beginning. Other stores will begin to close one by one including malls, large retail centres, grocery stores, gas stations. Queue the mass panic, better get to Metro now and buy everything while you still can. Then make for the exit, stage left.

    " Queue the mass panic...." - which you are only contributing to with this post.  Get a grip.

  14. 3 hours ago, scribblet said:

    We are over 65 but still cannot hibernate as we have to get groceries and meds now and then.   I have to go out today to look for TP as I haven't been able to find any for a few days, they were lines up outside Walmart on Friday and their shelves were cleaned out TP.   I also need some pasta but they were out of that too, hopefully I can get some today. along with NyQuil and Tylenol just in case.  


    Try checking smaller stores, scrib.  Our local country store had no shortage of any products including TP and hand sanitizer.  Just saying.

  15. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

    Amazingly, CBC news cuts to Trump's press conference LIVE in Trudeau's travel limit story.

    Why would Canadian media spend more attention on Trump ?



    The cbc loathe Trump and will take any opportunity to watch him make a fool of himself - they are rarely disappointed which I'm sure brings glee to the hearts of all those virtue-signalling censorious twits in the corp.

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  16. 5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

    As the pressure on hospitals grows, we may to have to look at other places to keep older sick people who can’t take care of themselves at home. 


    Bolsonaro’s initial test has apparently come back positive and a second confirmatory test is awaited. If he is positive, what is Trump going to do, given that he met Bolsonaro and a COVID positive aide recently? 


    But................but that's not what Trump said today.  According to him his 'good friend' is just fine - no worries. :rolleyes:

  17. 21 hours ago, jacee said:

    The "economy and society we have" will be "much worse" if we continue on our path of depleting the earth's ability to sustain itself ... and us. 

    We are taking too much, and giving back too little of any value, and a whole lot of trash and contamination.

    Some industry elements of the 'economy' will be disrupted, the ones we need to get rid of: fossil fuel burning and single use plastics, 'fast fashion' synthetics, unrepairable appliances, unrepairable and unrecyclable electronics disposed along with their 'rare earth' minerals ... among many examples.

    Oh well. 

    At the same time, alternative industries will arise, some already here, to take their place. 

    I have great faith in the entrepreneurial and inventive spirits that constantly provide new products and services (thus new industries) to meet society's needs and wants. 

    Now we need to direct and regulate them to profuce only  sustainable products, services, industries and business. 

    The economy will continue being the economy, but sustainable, and as eyeball said, not dependent on growth, live within its means, distribute wealth more usefully so money circulates within our economy rather than being hoarded by corporations and super wealthy people offshore, hidden from taxes.

    And of course, we have to end corporate welfare: Support workers through education and training for necessary transitions, with common health/sickness benefits, living wages, etc. ... but NEVER AGAIN put public money in the hands of greedy and predatory corporations. 

    In other words, we have to regulate and shame predatory capitalism  out of existence, in favour of regulated and sustainable economy and industries.

    Catastrophizing that

    "The economy and society we have could be lost, and what we get instead could be much worse."

    is retrogressive and without reason, not useful ... unless your purpose is terrorizing gullible people ... and that isn't useful to the economy or society. 

    "The economy will continue being the economy,...."

    A total nonsense statement much like 'the budget will balance itself'.

    "......but sustainable, and as eyeball said, not dependent on growth, "

    Sustainable upon what?  You do realize that economies depend on growth..............course not.

    ''....live within its means, "

    L O L

    ".......distribute wealth more usefully so money circulates within our economy rather than being hoarded by corporations and super wealthy people offshore, hidden from taxes."

    What 'wealth'?  The wealth of our country lies in her people. 

    ".....so money circulates within our economy ...."

    It does.

    ".......being hoarded by corporations and super wealthy people offshore, hidden from taxes.""

    And now we get to the real thrust of your screed - your complete and utter hatred of corporations and anyone with wealth.  Cry me a river.

  18. On 3/11/2020 at 10:24 AM, jacee said:

    Arising from Section 35 of the Constitution Act (1982) but not clarified until Supreme Court rulings after 2000, governments were forced to consult with Indigenous communities about developments on their traditional/treaty territories ... only in the last 20 years.

    For 130+ years before that, Indigenous territories were a free-for-all for corporations that mined, logged, built/operated railways, hydro lines, roads and pipelines etc with no consultation, no consent, and no revenues to Indigenous communities. Land and water were contaminated and made unfit to sustain their lives through traditional hunting, fishing, trapping, with no compensation paid, no remedial efforts (eg, clean water systems, industrial cleanup of mercury and other contaminants, etc). 

    And still governments dilly-dally, paper shuffle, pass the buck, encourage corporate bribery to buy support and divide Indigenous communities, doing everything they can to avoid doing their jobs, avoid sharing revenues avoid settling land, treaty and title claims requiring compensation for 130+ years of rights violations ... violations of Canadian law ... that still continue.

    The list of Indigenous groups that have officially endorsed the Frontier project has grown to 14:

    • Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation

    • Mikisew Cree First Nation

    • Fort McKay First Nation

    • Fort Chipewyan Métis

    • Fort McKay Métis

    • Fort McMurray Métis 1935

    • Fort McMurray First Nation #468

    • Métis Nation of Alberta - Region 1 and its member locals:

    • Athabasca Landing Local # 2010

    • Buffalo Lake Local # 2002

    • Conklin Local # 193

    • Lac La Biche Local # 1909

    • Owl River Local # 1949

    • Willow Lake Local # 780



    Currently 189 bands are members of the Indian Resource Council


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  19. On 3/12/2020 at 12:27 PM, jacee said:

    There are assumptions and biases implicit in your post that must first be debunked before a response is even possible:  

    2 Again you try to raise the "race" flag of white supremacism. That may fly among the minuscule mob of white supremacists, but it's quite distasteful to decent people just trying to live in peace. Such obsessive racial extremism reveals an agenda that derails and defeats any arguments you make.

    Race is an irrelevant distraction in these issues: Different peoples with different cultures, laws, customs and origins can make agreements to share land as equals, respecting each others ways, regardless of same or different skin colour. In fact, Canada has three founding peoples - Indigenous, French and English - and three corresponding legal systems - Indigenous Law, French Civil Code, and English Common Law.  

    1,3,4  Yes you are taking issue with Canadian Court decisions, erroneously attempting to disparage and dismiss Canadian law as "the will of Indigenous".

    But Canadian court decisions only reflect the original laws of Canada/BNA - treaties, Royal Proclamations - that were made by European leaders at and following 'Contact', through negotiation with the original Indigenous inhabitants, to allow the starving and disenfranchised hordes of European refugees (purged from their common lands by predatory aristocrats) to settle in some areas in Canada/BNA, to live in peace

    The earliest and overarching law in Canada/BNA is the Two Row Wampum treaty, agreement that the two parties will share the land in Peace, Friendship and Respect, will not interfere with each other's lives, lands, laws and customs.

    The peace treaties and Royal laws were not broken by Indigenous peoples, but by colonial governments (the second sons of English aristocrats) and their predatory business/industry interests, who behaved as if the treaties and Proclamations didn't mean anything. Some Canadians (including you and, strangely, 'Lord' Conrad Black) still talk and act as if Aboriginal rights recognized by Crown treaties and Proclamations can be ignored or extinguished unilaterally by Canadian governments. But when petitioned by Indigenous leaders in Canada, the Crown in Britain, via British Parliament, upheld the 'honour of the Crown' and thus the Crown's treaties and Proclamations, resulting in the necessary inclusion of Section 35 & 25 in the Constitution Act of Canada, before it could be 'repatriated' in 1982. 

    The Supreme Court of Canada has repeatedly affirmed that the honour of the Crown must be upheld, notably in R v Sparrow (1990):

    ... the second part of the justification issue:  the honour of the Crown in dealings with aboriginal peoples.  The special trust relationship and the responsibility of the government vis-à-vis aboriginal people must be the first consideration in determining whether the legislation or action in question can be justified. 

    So ... you "go along [with the law] to get along", all the while evading, disparaging and dismissing the law every time it is relevant.  Lol 

    "......must be the first consideration in determining whether the legislation or action in question can be justified."

    True...............but not the last.

  20. On 3/11/2020 at 9:56 AM, jacee said:

    The relevant law is the duty of the Crown (BC) to consult with Aboriginal rights holders BEFORE approving projects.

    The relevant law is the Federal government must 'reconcile Aboriginal rights and title with Crown title', BEFORE the shyte blows up in their faces.

    The province and the feds could have prevented the nation-wide uprising if they had done their jobs properly. 

    They CHOSE to evade their responsibilities and pass the buck to the company and the RCMP, and that has clearly backfired on them.

    Lessons learned? 

    "Which band" ? 

    This is nonsense.

    Educate yourself.

    I don't involve myself in internal Wet'suet'en issues. Not our business. 

    It is our business to make sure governments do their duty BEFORE Indigenous rights are violated, to avoid such conflicts. 

    Take your pick. 

    map of all overlapping native land claims.jpg

  21. 11 minutes ago, jacee said:

    To what extent are those revenues shared with the Indigenous peoples who voluntarily or involuntarily 'contributed' their territories to Canada? 

    Opinion: The link between oilsands development and First Nations prosperity

    "But First Nations involved in the oilsands have higher incomes and rates of employment compared with many First Nations across Canada and, in select cases, even when compared with the general population. Fort McKay’s median employment income is higher than of nine of the 10 provinces, where median incomes range from $45,183 (Prince Edward Island) to $55,696 (Newfoundland and Labrador). Only Alberta, with a median employment income of $64,090, is higher than Fort McKay.

    Likewise, across Canada, the average unemployment rate on reserve was 24.8 per cent, according to the last census. Yet three of the four First Nations that we recently profiled in a research brief for the Canadian Energy Centre, all of which are heavily involved in the oilsands, had unemployment rates between 17.2 per cent (Chipewyan First Nation) and 23.5 per cent (Mikisew Cree First Nation). Those rates still look high, but the census data is based on 2015 statistics, right when oil prices collapsed, thus reducing oilsands employment. Even then, these three First Nations recorded lower unemployment rates than the national average for all First Nations."


  22. 17 hours ago, jacee said:

    All true, and I've never claimed differently.

    I have only stated that the Crown had a duty to consult with Wet'suet'en Chiefs, and to accommodate Wet'suet'en rights, and failed to do so.  

    The strength of the duty to consult and accommodate varies with the strength of the assertion of rights, on this case assertion of title. If title had been declared, the Crown's job of consulting and accommodating becomes much more difficult. 

    But the Crown in BC and in Ottawa dropped the ball completely. 

    Governments could have prevented the RCMP attacks and the nation-wide blockades, if they had done their job right ... instead of putting the onus on the pipeline company to utilize a paltry provincial injunction.

    Governments deserved to have this blow up in their faces. There are many examples in Canada of how this would play out via an injunction, but the governments ignored them all, knowingly causing conflict instead. 

    (Corporate interests take note: Canada's governments will fail to do their duty, and will leave you hanging out to dry!)

    And btw, Delgamuukw established that Wet'suet'en (and Gitxsan) Aboriginal title had never been ceded or extinguished - thus, exists. 

    What remained to be established in the second trial was only what lands were included. The Tsilhqot'in (2014) ruling already answered one question, establishing that Aboriginal title is not limited to "postage stamp" areas of villages and industry (eg, fishing, hunting, trapping, etc), but included the whole of the territory identified - as required to maintain eg the whole watershed in a healthy state, for those activities to continue to sustain the people. 

    External boundaries still need to be established, but the BC government has a map of boundaries, and the Federal government has such maps too.


    So at this point, Wet'suet'en title can be declared by governments through negotiation, and should have been well before now. That would have still required Crown consultation about the pipeline, but with Wet'suet'en people in a stronger negotiating position.

    First:" Governments could have prevented the RCMP attacks and the nation-wide blockades..."

    Total, complete and utter bullshit though not surprising considering you obviously have no conception whatsoever of the rule of law.


    Pipeline project was ‘hijacked’ by ‘group of five guys,’ former Wet’suwet’en hereditary chief tells MPs

    The hereditary chiefs were being supported by environmentalists who were disrespecting the rest of the Wet’suwet’en community, Tait Day said.

    "The hereditary chiefs were being supported by environmentalists, Tait Day said, who were disrespecting the rest of the Wet’suwet’en community.

    “We feel like we have been hijacked by the protestors who have their own agenda.”


    Nothing will be solved re land claims until all the bands with overlapping boundaries come to an agreement over which band actually has title.  Don't know how many times I have to keep mentioning that as you obviously don't have a clue that it is the bands themselves who have to stop fighting with each other BEFORE any government can negotiate with them.  At least get your facts straight. 

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