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  1. 8 hours ago, jacee said:

    Gay-STRAIGHT Alliance Club. Some kids join to support their gay friends. Should teachers out kids to parents because they have gay friends?

    It's not as simple as you want to make it seem.

     

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    The group calls gay-straight alliances "ideological sexual clubs" that make graphic information on gay sex available.

     

    So yes, the parents ought to be informed.


  2. 17 hours ago, jacee said:

    Interesting that none of his PC MPP's are pushing back at him on this issue: No PC MPP's who are LGBTQ or are parents of LGBTQ people? 

    That seems very odd, and unrepresentative of the population of Ontario. 

     

    Maybe, these LGBTQ PC MPPs know enough, and agree that the school shouldn't try to usurp parental rights.

     

    Btw,

     

    Teachers' union challenge of Ontario sex-ed curriculum tossed

    https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/teachers-union-challenge-of-ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-tossed

     

     

     


  3. 21 hours ago, jacee said:

    Some people don't get their values in life from religion. Some just practice respect for all people out of common decency. And common decency would suggest not judging people because they are born different than 'the norm'. 

    Gay-straight alliances can help kids figure out how and when to talk to parents about their sexual orientation, and support them through it when parents have difficulty supporting their own child. 

    IMO religions that discriminate against people of different sexual orientations are religions where man-made rules are revered above God's creations.That could also be called heresy.

    Churches were formed by men to control the minds of the masses and pick money from their pockets. Thus, their "rules" are highly suspect. 

    That's your opinion.....

     

     


  4. On 2/28/2019 at 9:00 AM, GostHacked said:

    I have no idea if I am interpreting or reading this right.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/syria-isis-1.5035979

    I am going to guess that these people who are in Syria as ISIS fighters from Canada, means that they are immigrants TO Canada and then left to fight in Syria with ISIS.

    So is this a blatant acknowledgement that our government has been supporting ISIS all along?

    Lol.  You can't believe what Liberals say. 

     

    Scribblet just posted in the update: Trudeau tried to smuggle a NON-CANADIAN  (Jihadi Jack) to Canada.  Jihadi jack is a British citizen.  Either the British or the American government intervened and foiled that plan.

     

    Plans to smuggle Jihadi Jack out of Syria and take him to Canada collapse at the last minute ‘after Foreign Office intervention’

    He continued: 'I feel British, I am British. If the UK accepted me I would go back to the UK, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6758131/Plans-smuggle-Jihadi-Jack-Syria-Canada-collapse-minute.html

     

     

    I don't know whether they're supporting ISIS, but looks like Trudeau's got a soft spot for jihadists.


  5. 1 hour ago, cannuck said:

    Your lack of reasoning and understanding is sufficient to qualify you as a genuine Canadian voter.

    SNC has "created" jobs in this case how??????   

    Exactly where did I say that SNC  created jobs?

    Will you read again.....and try to understand what you read:

     

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    Is Trudeau saying  as long as corporations will bring jobs - they will be above the law?   Trudeau puts Canada's interest as a bargaining chip for his own gain!  He wants to win the election, plain and simple!   Trudeau is working on it to make it become acceptable as the norm: create jobs and you get special status!! 

     

    Your obvious lack of understanding, is quite enough to say,  your opinion is.......unreasonable.

     

     

     


  6. Jody Wilson-Raybould had stated numerous times, "NO!"  ....and yet, Justin Trrudeau and his minions kept on.  She even lost her job!

      If we put this along the context of sexual harassment - Trudeau (and his minions) would be run out of town (and feminists will demand his head on a platter!)

    How many politicians lost their seats, or were thrown out of caucus because of alleged harassment?

     

    NO, means NO!

    Why is this any different?   In fact.....this is much worse.  More importantly, we're also talking of obstruction of justice! This involves outright corruption!  Trudeau is leading Canada down the path to become a banana republic - and all these pro-Trudeau media could ever do is try to justify Trudeau's corruption!

     

    When you say, for the sake of public interest, you mean the whole Canada - not just a particular place like.....Quebec!  

    Media were not hostile with Trudeau last night, unlike they were with Scheer or Singh.   No one challenged Trudeau, or did a follow-up when he evaded a question about him pointing out to Raybould that he is a member of Parliament for Papineau (and instead gave his usual talking point about jobs and Canada's interest).....so we know now, certain media will try to protect Trudeau!

     

    Is Trudeau saying  as long as corporations will bring jobs - they will be above the law?   Trudeau puts Canada's interest as a bargaining chip for his own gain!  He wants to win the election, plain and simple!   Trudeau is working on it to make it become acceptable as the norm: create jobs and you get special status!

     

    What is the worst that could happen to public's interest?   That the system gets thoroughly corrupted.....and we end up like a real third world country!  That there won't be any rule of law - in the real sense of the word.

     

    Wake up, Canada!

     

     


  7. 17 hours ago, PIK said:

    She can't talk about why she resigned ,that is the big question. And the libs will not let her talk till QP is over,so trudeau can run. He won't be back in the house till middle of march.If she comes out saying nothing happened her reputation will be destroyed. PM ,I don't think so. Supreme court judge.....

    Remember when Trudeau wouldn't waive any solicitor-client confidentiality away?   And then everyone in all political talk shows - even polls they did -  applied the pressure on him that he ended up capitulating?   I think.......he'll be forced to do it again, or this will really drag all the way to election day.


  8. On 2/26/2019 at 10:41 PM, August1991 said:

    Is her game to become prime minister of Canada?

    Link

     

    I don't think this was a game, nor do I think she had a game with this!  How could she have planned for Trudeau to go along with that script?

     

    But, after all the positive reviews about her - and no doubt she's suddenly a celebrity - I think now, there is a chance that she'll consider running.   I hope she doesn't run under the banner of the Liberals.


  9. 11 hours ago, French Patriot said:

    Not to me, but if you mean trying to convince us that we should not idol worship a genocidal son murdering God, then that would be a good thing. No?

     

    Not to me.   Because.....your argument comes from ignorance of the Scriptures. 

    You don't know the whole story why God had annihilated peoples.   So, why should your ignorant argument be taken into consideration?   Your only desire is to give some sort of "shock" value to it by your crude language (directed to God), in your deliberate attempt to be blasphemous. Nothing new with that, too. 

    But I do wonder about the passion!  Why so much passion about Him is coming from you - and a lot of anti-Christian? 

    Dangerous?   Nah.    That can't be it.   Perspectives are really topsy-turvy if that's the reason you folks cite why you display such passion.   So many real dangerous stuff around us to channel your passion into.  For someone who obviously doesn't believe - you seem to be going overboard with your response.  This kind of reaction from quite a few anti-Christians is what's so baffling, really.    They can't seem to engage in discussion without going off the handle - like, they suddenly lose it (just look at Kerfuffles' kerfuffle above :lol:  ) -  there's gotta be something behind that.  

     

    Your posts are convoluted, too.   Which is also common with anti-Christians I debate with.  Like this one:

     

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    The way I interpret Jesus' preaching, the devil to him was a literal belief in the traditional holy books, literals reading of those myths, organized religion and idol worship, which is what Christians do.

     

    Lol.   Why wouldn't Christians interpret the devil literally the same way Jesus Christ did when they (Christians) are disciples of Christ!  Isn't that  why they're called CHRISTIANS?    pondering-and-thinking-smiley-emoticon.g Hello?

     

    Okay.....I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your posts and engage with them since there's nothing coherent to engage with (based on these few ones that I've bothered with).   Kerfuffle  doesn't make any sense too.   Just look at this:

     

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    Betsy keeps talking about scriptures like they are proof of god and devil....only people that have been brainwashed from their evil cult believe this....Religion has NO hard evidence to back up their lies.....just a bunch of words that mean squat

     

    Why wouldn't I talk about the Scriptures - isn't that where French Patriot based his topic and OP? facepalm-smiley-emoticon.gif 

     

    And if the topic talks about Satan and God- like as if they exist - aren't we supposed to discuss it on that ground?  scratching-head-smiley-emoticon.gif

    Talk about a big egg of a doh!

     

     

     

    To not make any sense.....to have a meltdown......I tell you, that's  common  among  anti-Christians in forums.  I'm already engaged in that other forum on pretty much the same thing, so there's no  appetite for me to go on this thread.  

     

    Cheers.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


  10. 7 hours ago, Kerfuffle said:

    I AM Glad your seeing religion for what it is....IRRELEVANT. Along with harbourer of pedophiles  and the book of delusion, error, fallacy, falsehood, falsity, hallucination, illusion, misbelief, misconception,myth, old wivesʼ tail

    Religion is dying and cant happen fast enough...adieu religion

    
    
     

    Triggered?  :lol:

     

    For someone who's supposed to be glad......you sound more like.....angry?

     

    Anyway.....your message is still irrelevant. shrug.gif


  11. 9 hours ago, Kerfuffle said:

    Scriptures is just religious Gobbledy gook....just more useless words that you seem to think is proof of God...The Bible does a good job in discrediting itself .

    Religion is dying...the more educated society becomes the more likely people will see through the religious lies and bullshit....their is not a shred of hard evidence to support your religion .All you have is words

    Here is a feeble attempt of Christians trying to sell their lies ..The Creation Museum, located in Petersburg, Kentucky,...they display man living with dinosaurs ...haha...i thought Sara Palin was delusional when she said dinosaurs roamed the earth with man but now I can see it is Christianity thats delusional.

     

     

    :rolleyes:

    Irrelevant!  shrug.gif

     


  12. On 2/23/2019 at 9:47 PM, French Patriot said:

    Are believers not a part of the whole world?

    I am willing to see your quote showing that believers are exempt from that clear statement that says that no one on earth is exempt.

    God was the first to kill and bring death to earth and he is also the one who puts lies into us and is the father of all liars. Whose name would you put above God's for any attribute when he said he creates all that is evil?

    Is for heaven. Not here, unless you see earth as heaven the way Gnostic Christian Jesus does.

    I dealt with that lie in the O.P. Refute what I put or explain why no one can choose life all the time.

    If you wish to chat, lets do. I do not mind quotes, but I cannot chat with Got question.

    I want to see how you think and why you promote a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

    Not how well you can google.

    As scriptures say, come and reason.

    Regards

    DL

     

     

    Btw, I'm not asking you to "chat" with the sources I give. 

    I'm giving them so you'll have some understanding of what you claim.   It's been my experience in debates that most non-believers who make claim about the Bible, are either relying on other anti-Christian sources that has hardly any understanding of the Scriptures, or they've been cherry-picking lines from the Bible here and there - taking the verse(s) out of context.

     

    No one claims that believers are exempt from Satan.   Satan will most likely try to target and confuse a Christian more than he would a non-believer - after all, isn't the purpose of Satan to take people away from God?   Why do you think Jesus had warned us repeatedly about the devil, if we're immune to him?  Here's my take on Satan's dominion.

    Satan has dominion over non-believers because unlike believers,  non-believers don't believe in the Saviour, and they don't believe in the existence of Satan too.  If you don't think something exists, will you prepare for it?   Like, do we hang garlic around our necks so vampires won't get us?  Because they don't believe, that's why non-believers are very easy target.  They won't even know what hit them!

     

    Will Satan come to us as he is, or will he use all sorts of deceptions and wiles?

     

    Coincidentally, I've been discussing along this vein with a non-believer (in another forum), where-in I showed him that he is the classic sample of what Jesus described in John 8 (given above).  

     

    Here is what I posted:

     

    Here you go invoking this so-called "ad hominem" attack again. icon_lol.gif

    Well, devildavid.....you gave yourself up for discussion when you kept giving your own opinion
    as a non-believer,
    for argument!



    You were also the one who posed the question about God (and Satan as God's designated "landlord" on earth).
    I addressed your question BLUNTLY! I gave you the Scriptures' explanation that Satan has dominion
    on only non-believers!

    I also gave you Jesus' explanation about non-believers and Satan - son/father relationship.



    It is you who provides me with ammunition to support what the Scriptures say:

    1. Your relentless attempt to confuse people away from God.

    2. Your ignorance of the Scriptures does not prevent you from spouting off foolish things about the Scriptures (in your attempt to discredit the Bible) - in other words, just like the devil, you are spreading lies!



    John 8
    43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
    44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.





    3. Your disparaging contempt for God.

    4. You now speak for the devil - you're now his spokesman!
    icon_lol.gif

     

     
    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The devil appreciates your cooperation. Keep up the good work."



    5. You proudly carry his name - which seems to be patronymic.

    Patronymic is defined by Merriam: A patronymic, or patronym, is generally formed by adding a prefix or suffix to a name. Thus, a few centuries ago, the male patronymic of Patrick was Fitzpatrick ("Patrick's son"), that of Peter was Peterson or Petersen, that of Donald was MacDonald or McDonald, and that of Hernando was Hernández.

    So from that perspective, devilDavid is to David what MacDonald is to Donald.



    I am addressing your argument head-on!

    I'm pointing out that you seem to fit Jesus' explanation about the Satan/non-believers father/son relationship to a T. shrug.gif


    Based from the Scriptures, you're being manipulated by the devil. We know why.
    You don't see it. You can't see it. We know why.


    No ad hominem attack here.

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    French Patriot, can you provide the Biblical verses that you claim in your OP?


  13. 7 hours ago, French Patriot said:

    Are believers not a part of the whole world?

    I am willing to see your quote showing that believers are exempt from that clear statement that says that no one on earth is exempt.

    God was the first to kill and bring death to earth and he is also the one who puts lies into us and is the father of all liars. Whose name would you put above God's for any attribute when he said he creates all that is evil?

    Is for heaven. Not here, unless you see earth as heaven the way Gnostic Christian Jesus does.

    I dealt with that lie in the O.P. Refute what I put or explain why no one can choose life all the time.

    If you wish to chat, lets do. I do not mind quotes, but I cannot chat with Got question.

    I want to see how you think and why you promote a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

    Not how well you can google.

    As scriptures say, come and reason.

    Regards

    DL

     

    Why put the tree in the middle of Eden, and tell Adam and Eve not to eat from it?   Why was the devil allowed to enter that garden?  Why were Adam and Eve banished from that garden?  Why do people die?

      If you don't believe - fine.   

    Why do you care what Christians believe?

      Why waste time creating threads - especially when such  a benign response from a Christian easily  triggers you off?  

    And you want me to chat with you????  :lol:

     

    Bye bye. 

     

     


  14. 8 hours ago, French Patriot said:

    Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

    I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do.

    It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference.

    Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions?

    It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of
    people who never sinned.

    On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief.

    This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction?

    Regards
    DL

     

     

     

    According to the Scriptures, Satan has dominion over non-believers only.

     

    Jesus had given an explanation about Satan's relationship with non-believers.

     

    John 8

    43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.

    44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

     

     

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    This is not to say that he rules the world completely; God is still sovereign. But it does mean that God, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries God has set for him. When the Bible says Satan has power over the world, we must remember that God has given him domain over unbelievers only.

    Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Colossians 1:13). Unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught "in the snare of the devil" (2 Timothy 2:26), lie in the "power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2).

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

     

    On free will:
     

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    God’s revealed or preceptive will is not hidden from us. This facet of God’s will includes that which God has chosen to reveal to us in the Bible—His precepts are plainly stated. “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8). The preceptive will of God is what God wants us to do (or not do). For example, we know that it is God’s will that we speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), repent, and turn to God (Acts 3:19). It is God’s revealed will that we not commit adultery (1 Corinthians 6:18) or get drunk (Ephesians 5:18). God’s revealed will is constantly “making wise the simple” (Psalm 19:7).

    We are obligated to obey God’s revealed or preceptive will;
    however, we have the ability to disobey.

     

    In summary, the will of God involves three aspects: 1) God’s sovereign will is revealed in His unchangeable decrees. He decreed that there be light, and there was light (Genesis 1:3)—an example of His efficacious decree. He allowed Satan to torment Job (Job 1:12)—an example of His permissive decree. 2) God’s revealed will is contained in His precepts, given to us in order that we may walk in holiness. We have the ability (but not the right) to break these commands. 3) God’s dispositional will is His attitude. At times, God decrees something that gives Him no pleasure, such as the death of the wicked (see Ezekiel 33:11).
     

     

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-will.html

     

    The practice of free will has more to do with salvation.  We are given the free will to choose between life or death.

     

     

    As for pre-selection, here is an interesting read:

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    Who are the elect of God?

      https://www.gotquestions.org/elect-of-God.html


  15. TRANSPARENCY

     

     

    Trudeau promises more transparent government and changes to the Senate

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-promises-more-transparent-government-and-changes-to-the-senate/article25924259/

     

    He lied.

     

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    Liberals flunk transparency test with Jaspal Atwal affair

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4111226/tasha-kheirriddin-liberal-hypocrisy-on-transparency/

     

     

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    Trudeau promised Canadians ‘transparency’ — but he’s given them a brick wall

    Don’t ask how much the carbon tax will cost us, or about finances for First Nations. The Liberals think it’s none of your business

     

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/stephen-ledrew-trudeau-promised-canadians-transparency-but-hes-given-them-a-brick-wall

     

     

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    Trudeau Fails to be Transparent with Canadians

    Pierre Paul-Hus, Shadow Minister for Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, and Glen Motz, Deputy Shadow Minister for Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, today issued the following statement regarding the Trudeau government’s repeated refusal to release documents related to the Firearms Reference Table:

    “Justin Trudeau has repeatedly failed to be open and transparent with Canadians. Now he would rather go to court than release documents that simply lay out the classification of all firearms in Canada. What is the Prime Minister trying to hide?

    “The documents that have been requested are already widely shared with international law enforcement partners and firearms industry groups. However, despite a ruling from the Information Commissioner, the Liberals are refusing to provide them to Canadians.

     

     

    http://www.pierrepaul-hus.ca/en/trudeau-ne-veut-pas-etre-transparent-avec-les-canadiens/

     

     

     

     

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    Canada’s access-to-information system has worsened under Trudeau government: report

     

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadas-access-to-information-system-has-worsened-under-trudeau-government-report/article36407309/

     

    The latest epic fail:

     

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    Trudeau needs to take off the gag

    It’s time to let Jody Wilson-Raybould speak and for Justin Trudeau to get out of the way.

     

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-needs-to-take-off-the-gag

     

     

     


  16. I don't think she'll cross the floor, but she might sit as an independent.  i think that'll happen just before she finally talks.     She must be waiting for the proper timing to sit out as an independent, and to talk - timing it to the coming election. 

      She has an ax to grind with Trudeau.....she'll hurt him as best she can, especially during his campaign!  She'd given a sample of this when she abruptly resigned from cabinet after Trudeau's statement to the press that she's still in cabinet.  She threw that statement right smack to his face.   This scandal will be alive during the election campaigns!   She'll make sure of that.  

     

    Yeheeeey for Jody!  Expose the liars!


  17. 18 hours ago, cannuck said:

    NOW we know what caused Minister Raybould to be booted out of cabinet - the drama queen, our own Prime Mistake had ordered her to let SNC off the hook for their usual criminal behaviour thanks to the usual generous donations to the LPC

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=snc+lavalin+jodi+rayold&oq=snc+lavalin+jodi+rayold&aqs=chrome..69i57.10158j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Raybould seems to have had some ehtical backbone when dealing with PMO behind closed doors, but when it matters and the problem is out in public, she shows herself as a real Liberal and won't come clean.

    People need to be going to jail on this one.

     

    Corruption is tied to the Liberals like an umbilical cord.

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  18. 4 hours ago, marcus said:

    So saving a few $ is more important to you than our security? Only because Harper did it and not Trudeau. If it was Trudeau, you'd be HOWLING!

    Heh. Another political hack. 

    Kindly read again.   Slowly.   Maybe it'll take a few reads....and eventually you'll understand what I was saying.  Don't give up.


  19. 2 hours ago, marcus said:

    I noticed this was not responded to for 10 days.

    Hacks. All of them.

    It was responded to.   You've got to understand what you read though, (if you read everything posted).  Page 5.

     

     

    The staff cuts was for a reason.  It's more about streamlining, with emphasis on EFFICIENCY.

     

     

    The bottomline:  Harper didn't make a mockery of our immigration process - unlike what Trudeau had done by ignoring the process with this Saudi girl.  

     

    Lol.   Trudeau is the exact opposite of Harper.   Harper did the staff cuts to save some dollars, while Trudeau created a useless position (border security minister), and yet ignored the process to boot!   Go figure!

     

    Trudeau does things that are meaningless.....worthless!   Face it.  He's just into spending!

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