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  1. IMO Its time Harper learned some new phrases, and comments, he is beginning to sound like a puppet - "Collateral damage" is one phrase he has spouted a tad too often - He is coming across as a totally inffective incompetent PM who is at a loss as to how to deal with an International crisis

  2. The formation of NorthCom has revived familiar disputes regarding the need to cooperate with the US in continental defence, weighed against the likely impact of such cooperation on our nation's sovereignty.
    the Second World War also alerted Canadian decision-makers to the need to be cautious in dealing with the United States. Early in the war, in an effort to build the Alaskan Highway, and man the Northeast Staging Route to Europe, the United States stationed a formidable number of its forces on Canadian soil.

    Unsurprisingly, Canadian officials regarded this American presence with alarm. For instance, the Canadian High Commissioner in London, Vincent Massey, was unapologetic in his sentiment that "Canada has been too preoccupied with her own war effort to cope with the Americans who unfortunately, under the cover of the needs of war, are acting in the Northwest as if they owned the country." Luckily, before the war's end, Ottawa obtained guarantees of an American withdrawal. While Canadian officials did not question that these deployments had been made in good faith, the ease with which they had occurred signalled that concrete steps were needed to prevent a similar strain on Canadian sovereignty. .....

    ....................Canadian Armed Forces under US Command

    Foremost among the academic detractors of further continental defence collaboration is Michael Byers of Duke University. In his May 2002 report, Canadian armed forces under U.S. command, Byers provides several cautionary warnings about Canadian involvement in an expanded joint continental defence with the United States.

    Most prominent among his warnings are the degradation of Canadian sovereignty and undue American influence in the foreign and defence policies of Canada . For Byers, the notion of American operational control of Canadian forces – foreseen by the Binational Planning Group in the event of a cross-border aid to the civil power mission – is problematic.

    To be precise, Byers believes that the line between operational control and national command is too easily blurred. In fact, in his estimation, the distinction between operational control and command is merely an exercise in semantics. With respect to the conduct of Canadian foreign policy, Byers contends that the United States might also use the force requirements of continental defence to prevent Canada from engaging in unilateral endeavours which go against American policy aspirations, such as an airlift to Cuba. In opposing greater Canada–US defence cooperation, therefore, Byers and the Canadian press are revisiting sovereignty apprehensions that have plagued Canadian participation in continental defence since World War II.

    Most prominent among his warnings are the degradation of Canadian sovereignty and undue American influence in the foreign and defence policies of Canada
    We are seeing this now ....
  3. The UN members appeared enmasse tonight to say the bombing was deliberate, that the UN Peacekeepers on the ground were in contact with Israel. had given them their coordinates and asked them to stop shelling in their area, and told them there were no Hezballuh in the area and the immediate response was to send a rocket their way, probably using the coordinates they had been given ......

  4. What were those figures on welfare and immigrants again Argus? Something like 8% of Immigrants end up on welfare, and thats usually short term.

    Ever been to a welfare office ? I have with clients and all I have seen there is WHITE people, dozens and dozens of BORN IN CANADA WHITE PEOPLE .........

    You should do some research before you constantly open your mouth and make a fool of yourself.

  5. Canada’s trade with the European Union continues to rise in absolute terms. Two-way trade in goods and services totalled $73.8 billion in 2000, up just over 100% from 1991. According to Statistics Canada, this country’s $21.0 billion in merchandise exports to the EU accounted for 4.6% of our total goods exports, while our imports, which have grown markedly since 1991, stood at $33.6 billion. Exports of services in 2000, in the order of $8.9 billion (against imports of $10.3 billion), were also significant. Over the years, merchandise exports to Europe have displayed moderate growth: a 75% increase, in absolute terms, over the 1993-2000 period.

    Europe is also the first destination for Canada’s exports after the United States. Excluding our neighbour to the south, the EU accounted for 47% of export growth between 1990-98, double the growth of exports to the Asian Tigers over that period. Exports to Europe have risen, on average, by at least $1 billion per year over the past six years — a not insignificant amount, though as Bertin Côté (Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle-East and North Africa, DFAIT), remarked to the Sub-Committee, one year’s growth in exports to the U.S. would exceed total Canadian exports to the EU. Set against our economic relationship with the U.S., the importance of Europe to Canada, both on the trade and investment side, is not always appreciated. Even so, the trade results should not be treated lightly, as they lead to considerable employment opportunities for Canadians.

    Susan Cartwright (Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Europe, Middle East and Africa, DFAIT) informed the Sub-Committee that six of Canada’s top ten non-U.S. export markets are located in Europe. Within the EU, Canada’s two biggest export markets are the United Kingdom ($6.4 billion in merchandise exports in 2000), and Germany ($3.1 billion); these two countries also account for Canada’s largest sources of imports from the EU.

    ................................... While exports have not kept pace with EU economic growth, foreign direct investment (FDI) has become the most dynamic element of the transatlantic economic relationship. In 2000, the stock of Canada’s cumulative direct investment in the EU amounted to $56.5 billion, with that of investment from the EU totalling $77.9 billion. The latter figure includes a substantial increase of $28.3 billion from the 1999 results, owing mainly to French company Alcatel’s purchase of the Kanata, Ontario-based Newbridge Networks, and the sale of Seagram Co. to Vivendi SA, also of France. This increase in French investment in Canada meant that in 2000 they surpassed Canada’s traditional number-two source of FDI, the United Kingdom.

    Even if one recognizes that 2000’s jump in FDI may have been atypical, Canada has enjoyed strong growth in investment with Europe during the past decade. Our investment in Europe rose by a more than healthy 174% over the 1990-2000 period, a rate of growth that exceeded the comparable figure for the U.S. (157%). In 2000, Europe accounted for almost 19% (up from 12% in 1983) of direct Canadian investment abroad. How this growth in investment will be affected by the bursting of the high-technology bubble in late 2000 and early 2001 remains to be seen. It is worth noting in this context that Nortel, for instance, has laid off a large percentage of its staff in France.

    According to Mr. Clarke, this FDI boom can be attributed to Canada’s high-tech firms, whose activities have supplemented the existing large-scale operations and facilities of traditional Canadian investors such as Bombardier, Nortel, Alcan, and CAE. The largest sectors attracting Canadian direct investments have been finance and insurance; metals and metal products; communications; and food, beverage and tobacco industries.

    Many Canadian firms have been strategically investing in certain European countries, which act as gateways into the European market as a whole or at least segments of it. The experience has been that Canadian firms have concentrated their activities on the United Kingdom — it is by far the number one destination for our investment in Europe, with over 350 Canadian firms established there — and Ireland. Together these two countries (United Kingdom $25.3 billion; Ireland $8.4 billion) accounted for 60% of Canadian investment in the EU in 2000. Our companies are also well represented in many western European cities outside of these two countries (e.g. Stockholm or Copenhagen serving the northern European market and Amsterdam or Brussels for mid-Europe).

    Increasingly, it has become accepted that investment has overtaken trade as the most important market penetration strategy available to business. Typically, the motivation behind FDI has been either to service the target market more easily or, in certain instances, to bypass trade barriers by setting up operations in that market. What has also become recognized is that, as a general rule, trade has tended to follow investment.

    I was going to find other statistics but for someone to post that Canada doesnt benefit from International connections and markets really isnt worth reponding to
    Canada has pretty well always been dealing with the rest of the world on a global basis. And the rest of the world as not really significally added to Canada's fortunes
    As I said you dont seem to know what is happening in the "real" world
    You are an arrogant individual my friend
    Coming from a self admitted racist, thats good .. better arrogant than ignorant ........ my non-white friends are twice the human being you appear to be, and pay a helluva lot more taxes than I am willing to bet you do ......

    Heres a thought if you are ever in need of Medical Assistance and God forbid you get a doctor who isnt "white" why dont you refuse to be treated - stand up for you principles Leafless --

    Racist, narrow minded, uneducated, and ignorant of the world outside your own door .... if thats an example of being white and superior it aint saying much for your credibility ....... or character ...

  6. we have EVERTHING one could possibly want

    Except jobs, affordable housing, a viable Health Care System, reasonable taxes, programs for the poor and disabled, housing for Seniors, a good education system, and a PM Canadians can be proud of, and oh yah, jobs for all the University graduates ...........

    My Global Ecopnomy is right here Kindred and I wish you would go back to your REAL WORLD.

    And I wish you would move out of your parents basement and buy your own home, pay the same taxes (54%) that myself and other pay, and stop judging the world and others from your narrow little world, which is CLEARLY not the world of an adult coping with the problems that exist in Canada ...... and CLEARLY not the business world ........ I can the distinct impression that you are in your early 20's, (if that) single and not involved in the "REAL" world .....

    It amuses me how the little minded very young posters on this forum keep telling Canadians to get out of "their" Canada, because we dont agree with your childish observations of the world. Kind of like being on a "playground" with little babies crying "get out of my sandbox .. " :D

    Do you know the definition of "Global" ?

  7. Actually Israel and Lebanon have "kidnapped" each others soldiers for ages and then traded them back for the release of their own prisoners. Israel stated empathically that they knew this is what Lebanon thought would happen but "this time they had changed the rules".

    Ooops. I guess the people living there just had some shit luck
    You jackass.
    YAH what he said ....... you jackass ......

    Actually a great number of Canadians are concerned about Darfur and actively protested sending out troops into Afghnistan when they would rather see them go into Darfur ....... Canadians are VERY much involved and upset about Darfur, its our PM and our Govenment that doesnt give a rats ass about innocent people dying .......

    Far better to follow the Americans into their war of supremecy and terror ...... far better to let Bush dictate Canadian Foreign Policy ..

  8. Lets pass a law that once you become Canadian you can never ever leave the country again and force every Canadian working overseas to come home and collect those pensions and/or welfare and that way no one can question their loyalty again, not ever .......

    in 2001 there were 1.17 MILLION CANADIAN BORN Canadians living and working overseas ... lets force them ALL to come home, now where will we get housing for them? Never mind jobs.

    In July 2003 the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD)launched a data collection exercise in collaboration with national statistical offices of OECD members to obtain statistics on their foreign-born population, by country of birthand educational attainment.

    The data were obtained in most cases from censuses takenaround 2000. The database makes it possible to provide, for the first time, acomprehensive picture of the foreign-born population for most OECD countries in recent decades.

    According to this data, there were 1.17 million Canadian expatriates residing in other OECD member countries in 2001, equal to 4% of the total census population inCanada (OECD, 2005). Nevertheless, this number only includes the Canada-born population residing in OECD member countries.

    Thats one helluva lot of people who you seem to think should have their Canadian citizenship revoked, even though they were BORN here .........

  9. Although you may be a non-resident, you’re still eligible to receive CPP/QPP and OAS benefits. However, there would be a 25% withholding tax on this and other “passive” income such as annuity payments or pension payments from private plans. Some countries have tax treaties with Canada in which case this tax could be reduced or waived.

    So whats your point Leafless? If I have my own private retirement investments in Canada and I declare myself as Ex-Pat the Canadian Govt gets to keep 25% of my investment AFTER growth and you see this as a benefit to the Ex-Pat? I dont follow your reasoning

    Your second like states that OAS is ONLY available to people LIVING in Canada .. not Ex-Pats so again the logic of your argument is lost on me. In order to come back to Canada and Repatriate there can and usually is a HUGE tax penality depending on how many years you were overseas and your income ....

    IF you dont repatriate you are only allowed to remain in Canada for a certain number of days before the Govt repatriates you on their own and sends you a tax bill ........ During the time you are in Canada you need to carry your own Medical Insurance etc.

    Obviously you are not familiar with the entitlements of a Canadian citizen
    So what WAS your point?

    Ex-Pats dont have access to medical services, OAS unless they repatriate, dont have access to 100% of their own PRIVATE investments, cant own property in Canada ...... and any CPP they collect is based on what they contributed before becoming Ex-Pats so I dont quite get what you are aiming for here with your comment and links .............

  10. I will bash any Canadian that finds themsemselves in such circunstance by their own doing

    So basically what you are saying is that people who cant find jobs in Canada that pay a decent salary, say a Teacher with a Masters degree in Physics should take a job flipping burgers, or better yet file for Social Assistance, rather than work overseas and pay Cdn taxes? Or someone with a degree or experience in Business Management should be working at Walmart, instead of taking a job as CEO with a European or Western Manufacturer who has major manufacturing plants in China, or Japan, or India, or has business interests in the Middle East?

    As usual, a post that is devoid of any knowledge of the Global Economy and Work Force. The problem I think with a lot of posters is that they are like maybe 19 years old and still living at home with their parents, or going to school and havent encountered the "real world" yet. :blink:

    Get on an international flight these days and the majority of people heading out in September are WHITE teachers, going to teach overseas ....... along with hundreds of business people also working overseas.

    The thing is, to make it as simple as possible, is that major companies have business interests, plants, offices etc ALL OVER THE WORLD and not just here in Canada or the US and so people work ALL OVER THE WORLD ... and these people are Canadians.

    Also in case you havent noticed people DO have the RIGHT to travel, and vacation overseas. Hawaii gets old after awhile ...

    No one could have seen this coming ..... not this full scale invasion and flattening of Lebanon. Tradiionally areas in Lebanon and Israel are tourist Mecas, its a beautiful area of the world, and it was on my list of places I wanted to travel to ........ The companies they work for should have been monitoring the situation and should have been ready to send people out of there, but this took everyone by surprise, and once the airport was blown up ........ well it kind of changed things didnt it?.

    Christians often travel them for spiritual reasons, history buffs, anthropoligists, people have a lot of reasons for wanting to be there, other than sun, sea and sand, which is also has in abundance as well ---

    people from Poland or something
    What you really mean is "white people" and that doesnt warrant a comment.
  11. Another mega-canal proposal was the NAWAPA — the North American Water and Power Alliance — designed to carry bulk water from Alaska and northern British Columbia for delivery to 35 U.S. states. By building a series of large dams, water from the Yukon, Peace, and Liard rivers would be trapped in the Rocky Mountain trench, a giant reservoir about eight hundred kilometers (about five hundred miles) long, flooding approximately one-tenth of British Columbia. Through this reservoir, a canal would, in effect, be created from Alaska to Washington state, where it would be rerouted to supply water through existing canals and pipelines to customers in the 35 states. The annual volume of water to be diverted through the NAWPA canal scheme would be roughly equivalent to the average total yearly discharge of the St. Lawrence River system.

    Initially planned by a group of California entrepreneurs, the NAWAPA canal would have cost an estimated one-half trillion US dollars to build. Although both the GRAND and the NAWAPA canal schemes have been put on the back burner, largely because their huge costs made them financially nonviable when they were first conceived, there are signs that they may soon be revived. As the Canadian Banker magazine put it in 1991: “The concept of NAWAPA . . . remains a potentially awesome catalyst for economic and environmental change.” In market terms, it is the extent of U.S. demands for water that will determine whether these canal schemes are financially viable or not in the future. Yet the potential ecological costs of these mega projects are staggering. As Marq de Villiers writes in his book Water, the proposed NAWAPA itself “would do as much damage to the environment as all the river diversions combined in America.”

    Lets not forgot that Mulroney supported and was completely ready to comply with this scheme , even if it meant flooding the Rocky Mountain Trench in BC (settled areas) and displacing most of Canadians along the border and throughout the southern "trenches" of the country .... it would also mean relocating all of Canada's infrastructure ... rail lines, Trans Canada highways, hydro etc.

    This scheme had Canadians "shaking in their boots" bank in the 1960's and it isnt dead yet, I saw a reference to it within the last couple of months by Bush and I am unable to find it again .......... :(

    A lot of the dams that are critical to the NAWAPA plan have already been built in Canada .... on a smaller scale, if memory serves me right, there are only two, maybe three dams left to build and then the pipelines -the smaller scheme would avoid flooding the valleys and agricutural/settled areas of the country, but control of the water flow would be in the hands of the US. A questionable thing with their record on environmental issues.

  12. Another little tidbit from 2002 - we should remember Chretien could say no to the Americans, can Harper?

    Last month, U.S. President George W. Bush confirmed the fears of the most vocal opponents of bulk water shipments. Mr. Bush told reporters the United States would be interested in piping Canadian water down to the thirsty southwestern states and that he would raise the issue with Prime Minister Jean Chretien at the G8 Summit in Genoa.

    The federal government immediately responded by insisting bulk exports of water from Canada weren't on the table.

    The Council of Canadians, which has led the campaign against water exports with the support of the Canadian Union of Public Employees and the Canadian Environmental Law Association, pounced on Mr. Bush's statement. Maude Barlow, the chairwoman of the council, said Mr. Bush had been candid enough to tell the truth, and that Mr. Chretien has suggested he is willing "turn the tap."

    "Canadians wanted bulk exports banned and the Liberals are opening the floodgates," she said.

    The crux of the argument from the opponents of bulk water shipments is that under the terms of the North American Free Trade Agreement, water is not protected, and that if Canada permits the sale of bulk water, it becomes a tradable commodity. Once water is a commodity, a giant water valve will be turned on and stuck in that position.

    The council has called on the Chretien government to pass legislation prohibiting the export of water, and has linked the trade of water with the trend across North America to hire private firms to deliver water services.

    "What is more fundamental to democracy than control over the water we drink?" asks Judy Darcy, CUPE's national president. "Access for all Canadians to a basic source of life is what's at stake. Multinational corporations are trying to privatize water services in hundreds of Canadian municipalities and turn our water resources into an export commodity. They can't buy the air we breathe, so now they want to buy and control the water we drink. What we are saying is simple: No water for profit." ............

    ..........Groundwater withdrawals at rates high enough to warrant concern" are already happening, particularly in the Chicago area, where aquifer levels have been dropping for more than two decades. Chicago is also withdrawing surface water from the Great Lakes basin at a rate of 4,300 cubic feet per second. Half the water is for drinking and the rest is used to reverse the flow of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. Excess water winds up in the Mississippi River.

    The NAWAPA Project shown here, was drawn up by the Pasadena, Calif.-based firm of Ralph M. Parsons Co., and favorably reviewed by Congress in the 1960s for completion by the 1990s, but it was never begun. The idea is to divert southward some 15% of the MacKenzie River (northern Canada) runoff now going towards the Arctic, channelling it through the 500-mile Rocky Mountain trench, then along various routes, eventually reaching even Mexico. The broken lines show new, navigable canals.

    The principle--on a grander scale--is the same as that of the Tennessee Valley Authority of the 1930s, and the 1950s St. Lawrence Seaway, both shown on the map. NAWAPA could supply an additional 135 billion gallons of fresh water to the United States, Canada, and Mexico, plus power, and vast new areas of cultivation. It would involve thousands of skilled jobs to construct and operate.

    Do some research on a little thing called "NAWAPA", more plans for Canada from the US

  13. When Zionism had its first beginnings, in the early 19th century, there were about 200,000 Arabs living in all of the land, mostly concentrated in the countryside of the West Bank and Galilee, and mostly lacking in national sentiment. Palestine was, in Western eyes, a country without a nation, as Lord Shaftesbury wrote. Early proto-Zionists did not trouble themselves at all about the existing inhabitants. Many were heavy influenced by utopianism. In the best 19th century tradition, they were creating a Jewish utopia, where an ancient people would be revived. They envisioned a land without strife, where all national and economic problems would be solved by good will, enlightened and progressive policies and technological know-how. Herzl's Altneuland was in in fact just such a utopia. In reality, Jewish population grew, but Arab population grew more rapidly. By 1914, there were over 500,000 Arabs in Palestine, but only about 80,000 to 100,000 Jews.............

    ............... One of the earliest warnings about the Arab problem came from the Zionist writer Ahad Ha'am (Asher Ginsberg), who wrote in his 1891 essay "Truth from Eretz Israel" that in Palestine "it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled", and moreover:

    From abroad we are accustomed to believing that the Arabs are all desert savages, like donkeys, who neither see nor understand what goes on around them. But this is a big mistake... The Arabs, and especially those in the cities, understand our deeds and our desires in Eretz Israel, but they keep quiet and pretend not to understand, since they do not see our present activities as a threat to their future... However, if the time comes when the life of our people in Eretz Israel develops to the point of encroaching upon the native population, they will not easily yield their place. ...........

    ............Rashid Khalidi (Palestinian Identity, Columbia, 1997) notes that beginning about 1908 Palestinian newspapers offer extensive evidence of anti-Zionist agitation. Actual conflicts flared up because the Zionists purchased large tracts from landowners and subsequently evicted the tenant farmers. The former tenants, though they had received some compensation, continued to insist that the land was theirs under time honored traditions and tried to take it back by force. A notable case was Al-Fula, where Zionists had purchased a large tract of land from the Sursuq family of Beirut. Local officials took the side of the Arab peasants against the Zionists and against the Ottoman government, which upheld the legality of the sale. 150 Palestinian notables cabled the Ottoman government to protest land sales to Jews in March 1911. Azmi Bey, Turkish governor of Jerusalem responded:

    We are not xenophobes; we welcome all strangers. We are not anti-Semites; we value the economic superiority of the Jews. But no nation, no government, could open its arms to groups... aiming to take Palestine from us.

    (Benny Morris, Righteous Victims, Knopf 1999 Page 62)

    Likewise, the "conquest of labor" movement displaced some Arab watchmen and led to violence. While the actual number of persons displaced or dispossessed may have been small, and may have been offset by real economic benefits and increased employment provided by Zionist investment, the feeling grew among the Arabs that the Zionists had arrived to dispossess them. A Nazareth group complained that the Zionists were "a cause of great political and economic injury... The Zionists nourish the intention of expropriating our properties. For us these intentions are a question of life and death." (Morris, loc cit.) As the conflict intensified, the Zionists formed a guard association, Hashomer, to guard the settlements in place of Arab guards. The attempts to retake land and disputes with Jewish guards led to increased violence beginning in the second half of 1911. .........................

    ............Following World War I, Palestine came under British rule. Even before they had conquered Palestine from the Ottoman Turkish Empire, owing to the efforts of Zionists, the British government declared its intentions, in the Balfour declaration, of sponsoring a "national home" for the Jews in Palestine. Britain was given a League of Nations Mandate to develop Palestine as a Jewish National home. The Arabs of Palestine were appalled at the prospect of living in a country dominated by a Jewish majority and feared that they would be dispossessed. Anti-Jewish rioting and violence broke out in 1920 and 1921. By this time, Zionist leaders could no longer ignore the conflict with the Arabs. By 1919, representatives of the Jaffa Muslim-Christian council were saying

    "We will push the Zionists into the sea or they will push us into the desert" ..........

    ...............The militant Zionist leader, Vladimir Jabotinsky, asked in 1918:

    The matter is not ... an issue between the Jewish people and the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, but between the Jewish people and the Arab people. The latter, numbering 25 million, has [territory equivalent to] half of Europe, while the Jewish people, numbering ten million and wandering the earth, hasn't got a stone...Will the Arab people stand opposed? Will it resist? [Will it insist] that...they...shall have it [all] for ever and ever, while he who has nothing shall forever have nothing?

    (Caplan, Neil, Palestine Jewry and the Palestine Question, 1917-1925, Frank Cass, 1978)

    Soon after World War I, Zionist leaders clearly recognized the problem. David Ben Gurion told members of the Va'ad Yishuv (the temporary governing body of the Jewish community in Palestine) in June 1919:

    But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question. No solution! There is a gulf; and nothing can bridge it.... I do not know what Arab will agree that Palestine should belong to the Jews...We. as a nation,. want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs. .........

    ...........Meanwhile the Arab and Jewish communities grew progressively apart. Arabs refused to participate in a Palestinian local government which gave equal representation to the Jewish minority. The British, nearly bankrupt after WW I, insisted that the mandate should be self-sufficient. Mandate services were paid for from taxes paid by the Jewish and Arab inhabitants of Palestine. Additional services were funded by philanthropists from abroad and from membership dues in various organizations. Zionist philanthropy and organization far-outstripped what Palestinian Arabs could provide...........

    ..............The Zionists, attempting to rescue Jews from the Nazis, organized illegal immigration. The Revisionist Zionist movement began to organize immigration, both legal (with certificates) and illegal, in 1937, from Austria, and later from the free city of Danzig. At least 20,000 Jews were saved in this way. ....

    ............On November 6, 1944, members of the Lehi underground Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne, a known anti-Zionist, was in charge of carrying out the terms of the 1939 White Paper. The assassination turned Winston Churchill against the Zionists. The Jewish Agency and Zionist Executive believed that British and world reaction to the assassination of Lord Moyne could jeopardize cooperation after the war, that had been hinted at by the British, and might endanger the Jewish Yishuv if they came to be perceived as enemies of Britain and the allies. Therefore they embarked on a campaign against the Lehi and Irgun, known in Hebrew as the "Sezon" ("Season"). Members of the underground were to be ostracized. Leaders were caught by the Hagannah, interrogated and sometimes tortured, and about a thousand persons were turned over to the British.

    Following World War II, Britain continued to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. The Zionist factions united and conducted an underground war against the British, as well as applying pressure on the British government through the United States. In June of 1947, the British rammed the Jewish illegal immigrant ship Exodus (formerly "President Warfield") on the high seas. They towed it to Haifa where it was the subject of extensive publicity, generating public sympathy for the Zionist cause. The passengers were eventually disembarked in Hamburg. The incident set world and particularly US opinion against the British, and caused the British to intern illegal immigrants thereafter in Cyprus, rather than attempting to return them to Europe. On November 29, 1947, the United Nations voted to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs did not accept the partition plan, and a war broke out. The state of Israel was established on May 15, 1948. .................

    ...........Most religious Jews and the reform movement, initially anti-Zionist, reconciled themselves with Jewish state, after the Holocaust seemed to bear out the basic thesis that Jews required a homeland of their own and would not necessarily be safe even in the best circumstances, and after creation of Israel proved that Zionist aspirations could become a reality. Success has many fathers. Nonetheless, anti-Zionist ideologies and their representatives persist among religious groups such as the ultraorthodox Neturei Karta and writers such as Noam Chomsky.

    This ideological opposition to Zionism later dovetailed with the anti-Israel cold-war politics of the Soviet Union and the Arab antagonism to Israel, as well as with anti-Semitism. Retrospectively, communist ideologues pegged Zionism as a colonialist ideology bent on exploiting and dispossessing the native inhabitants of Palestine, and creating an apartheid colonialist fascist Jewish state. ..........

    ............. Zionism and Occupation - For many people in Israel and abroad, "Zionism" came to imply support for the settlement of Jews in the territories occupied by Israel in the 6-day war. It assumed a very negative connotation for those who oppose the occupation. The word "Zionism" in the sense of support for settlers is used both by right wing Zionist extremists, and by anti-Zionists. Right wing Zionist extremists insist that withdrawal from the occupied territories will mean the "end of Zionism." Anti-Zionists insist that "expansionism" is part of Zionist ideology. Historically, this view does not seem to have ideological support, since "Greater Israel" was the ideology of the breakaway religious movement created after 1967, and was never the ideology of mainstream Zionism except perhaps for a few decades following the Six Day war. Messianism was part of proto-Zionism, but the Zionist movement was pragmatic in all that it said and did. Expansionism became popular as a result of historical accidents, and not because of ideology. The territory that might be allotted to the Jewish state shrank during the British mandate, creating a sort of irredentism. Rather than being friendly neighbors, it became apparent that the Arab countries would be hostile, generating a desire for "strategic depth" to protect against invasion. It was easy for Israeli governments to say they would return territories for peace, and at the same continue to build Greater Israel, since peace or anything approaching it appeared to be a remote abstraction.

    A part of the religious Zionist movement grafted itself on to the temporary realities created after the 6 day war, and evolved a radical Messianic ideology. They insisted that they and only they represent the "real" Zionism. A quiet coup had transformed Zionism. Unfortunately, a considerable part of the world took them at their word. The image of Zionism in the world was transformed from that of a progressive movement of liberation to a movement of fanatics who wanted to create a religious state and disenfranchise a native population. .............

    ................ Disillusionment and Zionist Counter-Revolution - However, the dream of Greater Israel collided with hard realities. The Arabs of Palestine would soon be a majority between the river and the sea, making a democratic Jewish state impossible. Tens of thousands of IDF soldiers were needed to guard 8,000 settlers against Palestinian terrorism in Gaza. Israelis were confronted with images of Zionist soldiers destroying houses, uprooting trees and killing children as "collateral damage." This was not the Zionism of the school books. Messianism and wishful thinking aside, the state created by flesh and blood was faced with the facts of Palestinian demography, military necessity, humanitarian values and international commitments. ..........

    .............Post-Zionism - Beginning in the 1980s, some Israeli historians and sociologists began to question facts about the official history of Israel and Zionism, as well as the Zionist ideology. They reasoned that Zionism had accomplished its purpose in creating the Jewish state, and that now it was time to move on. They posited that Israel and the Zionists had a large share of the blame for the animosity between Jews and Arabs, and had in fact, ignored the existence of the Arabs in Palestine and then dispossessed the Palestinians by force. This reasoning was supported by new histories, that talked frankly about less savory aspects of Israeli history that had been previously ignored. The new historians made a case that at least part of Zionism had always envisioned expulsion or transfer of the Arabs, and described massacres and expulsions which took place in 1948, often claiming that these were part of a deliberate policy. The historians claimed that these new facts were revealed by declassified archives. In fact, the most important facts supposedly "revealed" by the new historians were known to all Israelis who wanted to know them, though perhaps not in detail, and not presented in the particular way that new historians presented them. Facts can be interpreted in different ways. The ideas behind the facts, called by some "post-Zionism," do not necessarily form a coherent ideology and their practitioners do not generally see themselves as members of a movement or followers of a distinct philosophy. ...............

    Uncertainties in the data - Debates about the population of Palestine flourish because of the lack of good information and confusion over the meaning of census figures, and the will of partisans to distort history. Census figures of the Ottoman Empire were unreliable. Foreign residents were not counted, and illegal residents did their best to evade the census, as did people wishing to evade military services and taxes. The population figures of the British mandate were more reliable, but there was no published census taken after 1931. Mandatory figures for the period after 1931 are based on hospital and immigration records and extrapolation, it seems. Nomadic Bedouin were not counted or undercounted in both Ottoman and British censuses. Those who became settled in Palestine would then add to population figures. In studying the population of Palestine between 1800 and 1948, we must keep in mind that there was only one agreed-upon reliable census in all that time, which took place in 1931. The British census of 1922 was taken in less than settled conditions, and may have undercounted the population. The Ottoman figures certainly undercounted. The census data of 1922 and 1931 and the estimates based on these censuses have also been challenged but they appear to be internally consistent. That is, in the main, the number of people reported by the British mandate in 1922 and 1931 is consistent with the rates of natural increase that they reported. The numbers given in the 1945 survey are about 100,000 or more below what would be expected based on the number of refugees and remaining population in 1948. Uncertainties in infant mortality and underreporting of births would not account for all of this discrepancy. It could be due to illegal immigration or in part to settling of nomadic Bedouins in the Palestinian Arab population..

    And so it began..... Lebanon, as a nation was considered "insignificant". A country without an identity or Nationalist sentiment, open for the Zionists to move into ..... Essentially the early Zionists were seen as fanatics and trouble makers and not wanted anywhere ......

    Initially they supported the idea of German Nationalism, keeping in mind that this is the Zionists and not the majority of Jews who sought to distance themselves and renounce Zionism, a movement that had its roots in Russia

    Valuable insight into the prevailing ideologies of the time can be gained from Amos Elon's book, "The Pity of it All" (Henry Holt, 2002) which chronicles the tragic history of German Jewry.
    The Zionist organization has continued to function after the establishment of the Jewish state. It has helped to bring millions of new immigrants to Israel, encourages the teaching of Hebrew and Jewish culture abroad, lobbies for Israel with the US and other governments, and rallies support to Israel in times of crisis. However, in Israel, "Zionism" became somewhat of a pejorative, associated with government propaganda, super-patriotism and regimentation. The Labor Zionist movement, that had founded the state, eventually found itself in a minority, replaced in large part by more militant religious Zionists and the Likud party, which inherited the mantle of revisionism, carried on by a Begin after the death of Ze'ev Jabotinsky.
  14. It doesn't register anyone leaving to the US.
    Actually it does, with a little thing called an "Income Tax Return" - you have to declare income earned outside the country and are taxed on it.

    The alternative as I posted before is to declare yourself an "Ex-Patriate" and relinquish your "Rights" to services in Canada. When you return to Canada there is a waiting period before you are eligible for those services, such as medical coverage.

  15. Its all there in black and white on the official Canada website, Canada will help you in emergency situations, such as natural disasters and war - how many people bitched when assistance was given to Cdn tourists in Thailand during the tsunami? Or is it because there is a suspicion that the majority of people needing to be evacuated might be Lebanese that is creating this backlash on the forum?

    Census Canada requires you to name a nationality of origin - what were your parents? What is your families Nationality, when you fill out census forms.

    No matter how many times it is posted here that other countries have medical services superior to Canada those of you, who have never set a foot outside your own city, never mind your own country, are just not going to get it are you? To believe Canada and the US are the ONLY countries with Medical assistance or doctors and hospitals is very very ignorant of you ............

    The other aspect which is a drain on Canadian financial resources is dual citizenship Canadians enjoying the comforts of another country only return to Canada at retirement age for old age pension and or medical attention

    No matter how many times it is posted that other countries have "Old Age Pension" and if you have worked and paid taxes in that country as well as Canada you are eligible to collect, you dont get it. Again the ignorance is appalling .......

    I can see the reason why you choose not to be educated or do research , IF you educated yourselves you wouldnt be able to carry on these rants. Then what would you post about?

  16. IF Canada had jobs for all its citizens maybe so many wouldnt be working overseas, Beijing for instance has 40,000 Canadians living, and working overseas and thats just Beijing - and I am sure the numbers are just as high for other countries. Stats say about 1.5 million Cdns are working and travelling overseas at any given time and that isnt counting students who are studying overseas

    The results of AUCC's study showed that more female students (61%) participate in study abroad than male students (39%). On average, more students (63%) are likely to go abroad in their third year of university than any other year (22% in second year; 13% in fourth year; 3% in first year). 52% of students stay for two semesters abroad, as compared to 44% who stay for one semester only.
    Registering at a Canadian Government Office Abroad

    It is recommended that you register at the nearest Canadian government office abroad. This will help us contact you in case of an emergency. Registration is voluntary, and the information you provide is protected and used in accordance with the provisions of the Privacy Act. You can register on-line.

    In countries where Canada has no direct representation, there may be arrangements in place for you to register with another country's embassy or consulate. For instance, Canada has a formal reciprocal agreement with Australia.

    Consular Assistance

    Canadian government offices abroad are ready to help you in case of an emergency . In some instances, there may be a fee for services.

    Consular staff can:

    contact your relatives or friends and ask them to send you emergency funds, at your request;

    help you during emergencies such as natural disasters and civil or military uprisings; direct you to sources of information about local laws, regulations, cultural customs and visas;

    assist with medical emergencies;

    replace passports (fees apply). However, not all offices are authorized to issue regular passports;

    try to ensure equitable treatment under local laws if you are arrested. At your request, they can inform relatives and friends about your arrest and try to ensure that legal rights and processes are extended to you consistent with the standards of the host country. However, they cannot set aside local laws if you are charged with an offence, or intervene in the judicial process of a foreign country. They cannot post bail, pay for a lawyer or pay your fines;

    notify your next of kin, with your authorization, regarding an accident or death and let them know whether, and how, they can help.

    Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada
  17. Kindred,

    Who the hell are you?

    A Lebanonese propaganda voice of doom.

    You might be better to move there,you would be an inspiration for your Hezbulloh (Hezbollah) terrorists.

    Better give it up here,you're convincing no one at this forum with your rhetoric

    As I said before I have friends who are Jews and friends who are Arabs, and I dont "support" either side. I have "studied" the situation for years - reading publications from both sides of the "issues" and both sides have their pros and cons.

    I think its regrettable that Israel was carved out of the Lebanese territory, I feel it wasnt "right" to take the land away from the Lebanese, who had virtually no voice in the decision. But I dont believe "the people" are good or bad, from Israel or Lebanon, I have listened to the hate from both sides, heard the resentment and seen the general decency in both Arabs and Jews and do not hesitate to call both of those I know "friends".

    HOWEVER I do object to this action by Israel - its totally out of proportion and unjustifiable.

    I have also been a Journalist and strive to gain all the facts, and not make an emotional response, tho I did blow up at Argus, over the number of dead children ...... the innocent victims of this barrage and I dont really care if their parents are Hezbulloh, the children are innocent victims, mere babies ...

    And I know how hard Lebanon has worked to build their country after decades of war, and to do so without the massive amounts of Foreign Aid that Israel receives.

    Witnessing the devestation I oppose the actions of Israel, and their backers. Its that simple.

  18. For nearly two years now, Ottawa has been quietly negotiating a far-reaching military cooperation agreement, which allows the US Military to cross the border and deploy troops anywhere in Canada, in our provinces, as well station American warships in Canadian territorial waters. This redesign of Canada's defense system is being discussed behind closed doors, not in Canada, but at the Peterson Air Force base in Colorado, at the headquarters of US Northern Command (NORTHCOM).

    The creation of NORTHCOM announced in April 2002, constitutes a blatant violation of both Canadian and Mexican territorial sovereignty. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced unilaterally that US Northern Command would have jurisdiction over the entire North American region. Canada and Mexico were presented with a fait accompli. US Northern Command's jurisdiction as outlined by the US DoD includes, in addition to the continental US, all of Canada, Mexico, as well as portions of the Caribbean, contiguous waters in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans up to 500 miles off the Mexican, US and Canadian coastlines as well as the Canadian Arctic.

    NorthCom's stated mandate is to "provide a necessary focus for [continental] aerospace, land and sea defenses, and critical support for [the] nation’s civil authorities in times of national need."

    (Canada-US Relations - Defense Partnership – July 2003, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR), http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-lagasse1.htm

    Read more here http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html

  19. Or they could have just ordered everyone out of the city and then blew up the bridges, roads and airports so they couldnt leave and then started shelling the civilians trying to leave just in case the kidnappers were in one of the convoys and they could have blown up Argus and his family, if he has one, and we could have all shrugged and said "oh well they deserved it because they lived in the city where Cross was kidnapped".

    Another mini bus filled with innocent people fleeing the area was blown to rat sh*t today ........ what does Israel say about it "oops its difficult to identity the enemy from the air -" geee you think?

    I dont have much good to say about the US media, I am sure thats pretty evident, but Anderson Cooper is kind of a media rebel IMO. He's been reporting from Lebanon and has raised some interesting questions about how the people there will view Hezbulloh when they appear to be the only ones helping the average civilian caught in this nightmare, escorting them, providing Aid to them -- in view of recent events and lack of action from other people Hezbulloh could very well be gaining popularity in Lebanon .....

    The idea that "punishing" the Lebanese for harbouring Hezbulloh in their country will turn them against Hezbulloh could very well backfire on Israel and ultimately their financial backers and supporters.

    He is also reporting a lot of the destruction and casualties, the number has topped 1000 now ..

    FYI Syria has sent out some pretty strong warnings to Israel ...... still think they are getting prepared to get involved in this? And Iran wouldnt follow?

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