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  1. I disagree as many of his moral tenets were not moral at all. I especially dislike his no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policies. I did not notice you answering the question in the O.P. Care to? Regards DL
  2. Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself? 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe. That is an evil act to most people. If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up? Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons? Regards DL
  3. Now you are forced to show how you could have looked everywhere in the universe at the same time or admit that you believe that on faith. That is how a believer would show that you are lying, or misusing the language. This is my last on this issue. Regards DL.
  4. I hear you but courage should not have you make statements that you cannot prove. Your convictions, I hope, will have you to not do what theists do and make statements you cannot prove. Your conviction will be know regardless of the language. I am French and try hard to get English right. I am criticised enough for my views that I do not want to have to worry about explaining logical fallacies that I cannot justify. If you look at the first few atheist billboards, they use, there is likely no god and not there is no god. I have the same view of the language. Regards DL
  5. Speak for yourself. Kidding ;-) I enjoyed reading your realistic views. If you can look at walking on water or calming the storm that Jesus is said to have done from an esotery view, it is just saying that Jesus could solve arguments and discussions about religious topics. The same with Moses and the burning bush which basically says he put his ideas to the flames of inquiry and reason to temper them to their final purest form. Air represents intellect, mental intention, and connection to universal life force. Earth represents grounding, the foundation of life, substance, connection to life path, and family roots. Fire represents energy, a tool for transformation, connection to personal power, and inner strength. Water represents emotional release, intuition, and inner reflection. Everything that the bibles says happens to people, I think, is to represents what happens in our own minds. The crucifixion is of our own ego, for instance, in our left brain hemisphere, and it resurrects into the union of both hemispheres. Those view are more Eastern mystics but as you seem to know, Jesus could have picked that up from the older Jewish esoteric schools of thought. Check out this language and the Gnostic Christian view of them. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Regards DL
  6. Basically, yes. I do not think anyone deserves a genocidal god though. Regards DL
  7. No argument buddy. Just a comment. Best to say that there is likely no god because the way you said it is a logical falasy and we should leave that kind of language to the theists who make statements they cannot prove. We are better than they are in thinking and should be better with our language as well. Regards DL
  8. Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god? God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer. Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me. Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven. Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just? There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth. If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death? Thanks. Regards DL
  9. It is all about putting Jesus above Yahweh. Ok. That breaks the first commandment as Jesus did not even exist when god purportedly gave them to Moses. If Yahweh is not the one being praise, it is a breach of the first commandment. Right? Regards DL
  10. Does Jesus qualify as an idol? In reading the various definitions of idol, I think Christians have turned Jesus into the type of idol that he railed against. We all idol worship in some sense. If you can think analogically you will agree. Here is a poet that might help you do that. He has a good message but he himself ends in being an idol worshiper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs&list=PL-y1um9fkZCacsUPHZpHsjqdcC4JzZyeT&index=5 Commandment #3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.” Christians put Jesus before Yahweh. Commandment #4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, Christian churches are full of carved images. Gnostic Christians also have an ideal, but we do not let ourselves be subsumed by our own creations and remain perpetual seekers of the best god/rules and laws to live by, as Jesus taught. I see Christians and Muslims as idol worshipers. Is Jesus a Christian and Muslim idol and are they idol worshipers as most theologians say? Regards DL
  11. Mostly, yes. Yet the bible is making an objective statement. Was that what you were pointing to? Or were you trying to say that you have personal reasons for discriminating against a group of individuals within our society? Regards DL
  12. Are members of the gay community better adjusted, in a moral sense; than homophobes? Gays place love above sex, while homophobes place sex above love. Jesus would say that gays are closer to his heart than homophobes, and this shows a higher moral sense in Gays. I am not gay, but hey, like Jesus; I can tell you homophobes that gays (all) still love you, and hope you get closer to love and Jesus someday. Gayness is nature, not nurture. Nature and the Jesus archetype are showing us how to love more deeply. This is a Gnostic Christian view and is in full accord with my Mother Goddess, so it must be true. Regards, DL
  13. Do logic and reason say that God is our servant? https://biblehub.com/matthew/20-28.htm Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve, At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up. All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws. Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better. All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges. Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject. The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18] How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist? Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.” “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.” This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship. Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears. Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you? Regards DL
  14. Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us? Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly. Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone. https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2 Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal. Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security. For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change. It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised. I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any. We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all. We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy. We can easily rid ourselves of poverty. Should we? Morality says yes. Will we do the right thing? Not till hell freezes over. Regards DL
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