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  1. French Patriot

    Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

    You are a real Goddess. Here is how you grow your spirituality. I use the words of the bible and Jesus, but just replace Jesus with any mantra of your choice, as that is all that Jesus is, and meditate. You are not to look for a supernatural God, but for what Jung and Freud called the Mother Complex. It is where your deepest instincts come from and are likely in the right hemisphere of your mind. That is the more Eastern mystic type of thinking and I have had a personal success and can tell you it can work, if you do the work. This sound quite religious but ignore that and seek your Mother Complex. If you look up that term, do not work it into Freud's Oedipus Complex. It does not apply. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Regards DL
  2. I will thank you for the nothing you gave other than deflections and showing you cannot back what you say and are childish enough to blame me for your inadequacies. Ok. Thanks for showing us your character. Regards DL
  3. French Patriot

    Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

    You are likely correct. That is why we should not take any of the bible literally. Care to tell us if you see the bible and other religions doing/teaching what the O.P. suggests? Are Gods to rule us or are we to rule over them? Regards DL
  4. You likely cannot name them. You cannot be thinking of the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam. Regards DL
  5. How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup? Half full or overflowing with goodness? Not to be a bean counter that ignores the evil that is still with us, but if I look strictly at the statistics for what I call the evil markers, crime, death by violence including war, poverty, poor health and education; I see them all at the best levels we have ever enjoyed. This is in spite of the few places where the stats are backsliding, which ironically includes the U.S., a Christian nation; whose education level is going down, along with its moral sense. I will let you find whatever stats you might be interested in and will only offer the stats spoken of, at the end of this link. Richard Dawkins - Sex, Death and the Meaning of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLulcfyqrc0 I see our cup running over in spite of the vile and immoral mainstream religions that we are maintaining, for God only knows why. We can thank all the gods that the religious are not walking their talk and are following more moral ways. How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup? Half full; or overflowing with goodness? Regards DL
  6. Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches? The Bible teaches one to start a spiritual journey from the bottom, i.e. from a stage where he must consider himself as a born sinner and starts his journey upwards from there. One reaches the second stage when he realises that he is the son and God is his father. The final realisation is when he realises that he and the Father are one. This is similar to the spiritual journey of a Hindu who starts his journey from the Dwait stage, where he thinks himself and God to be two distinct entities, graduates to Vishishta Adwait, a stage where he thinks himself a fragment/fraction of Him and finally reached to the Adwait stage where he merges himself with that infinite consciousness. Stevan Davies. The savior is not a celestial being brought to earth; the savior is a capacity of the mind, and the savior’s journey from above is actually one’s own journey from within. John Lennon. It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics, who believed in self-knowledge, I.E. becoming Gods themselves, reaching the Christ within, the light is the truth. Turn on the light. All the better to see you my dear. John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. I think Jesus hated the idol worshipers of the traditional supernatural based religions and wanted to put us on a better and more naturalistic Gnostic Christian path of seeking knowledge and wisdom through Gnosis; that being a deeper knowledge of the self and others. Do you agree? Regards DL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&feature=youtu.be
  7. French Patriot

    God's Language

    The language God uses is whatever the listener understand. God is within each of us. Not a supernatural one but the only one anyone can ever know. Here is a presentation of how Gnostic Christians see reality. I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians. The Christian reality. 1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. ----------- The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL
  8. I am all in for some of what you put, but to look to immoral religions, like our mainsteam ones for moral guidance is like asking Satan to guide us. If you are living by the Golden Rule, you will condemn and fight against the mainstream religions. Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways. Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations. Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality. https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these. Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these. Regards DL
  9. So you do not believe that God cannot die. Strange when he is said to be eternal. Ok. Why call the nailed guy God then? He was not special if he can die like the rest of us and never return. Regards DL
  10. Not all cultures. I would say few. You do have a point where resources were finite and a population could not be allowed to exceed the resources. That has nothing whatsoever to the scapegoating of Jesus. Regards DL
  11. The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed? I find Christianity immoral for substitutionary atonement as well as many others of their moral tenets. Without the blood sacrifice of Jesus, Christianity fails as a salvific religion. We could thump all day with passages that both support blood sacrifice as well as quote the many passages against it as shown with both types of quotes in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U Recognizing that there are many contradictory passages in scriptures, let’s ignore them all and just look at the morality of substitutionary atonement. Scriptures tell us that to perfect our wisdom, we must get out of the Christian theology. I think that those passages are asking us to confirm our thinking with analogies that do not include Christian dogma. With that in mind, I offer an analogy for discussion. Scriptures say we are all children of God. Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change. Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first? In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God? For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc. Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Do you agree that to abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral? If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice. Regards DL
  12. The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed? I find Christianity immoral for substitutionary atonement as well as many others of their moral tenets. Without the blood sacrifice of Jesus, Christianity fails as a salvific religion. We could thump all day with passages that both support blood sacrifice as well as quote the many passages against it as shown with both types of quotes in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U Recognizing that there are many contradictory passages in scriptures, let’s ignore them all and just look at the morality of substitutionary atonement. Scriptures tell us that to perfect our wisdom, we must get out of the Christian theology. I think that those passages are asking us to confirm our thinking with analogies that do not include Christian dogma. With that in mind, I offer an analogy for discussion. Scriptures say we are all children of God. Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change. Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first? In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God? For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc. Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Do you agree that to abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral? If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice. Regards DL
  13. French Patriot

    Is God’s plan on track? Were we created to be sinners?

    Not all issues can be covered and I think Dawkins focus was on religion. Regards DL
  14. French Patriot

    Is God’s plan on track? Were we created to be sinners?

    Assistant? No. Replacement? Yes. Preferably one without genocidal son murdering tendencies. Regards DL
  15. French Patriot

    Is God’s plan on track? Were we created to be sinners?

    You might not be looking at the stats that show just how well we are doing down here, in spite of the garbage mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions. They are the best that we have ever enjoyed. I see a near full cup while you see a mostly empty one. My stats prove my view superior. Some of those stats are at the end of this link. I have more should you need them. Regards DL
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