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  1. Yeah...that map semed to be a few days in coming. What it doesn't show is that due to massive mud flats and sand bars, ship traffic must go certain ways depending on tonnage. To add to the fun, the Persian Gulf's odd tides change these channels on a regular basis...especially at the northern end.


    Agreed...it is damn tricky and a hazard to safe navigation. HMS Cornwall draws about 7 meters. Dredging operations are not what we expect in western channels or sea lanes. Hell, there are still a few old mines in this area!

    Operations Orders are often written from incident experience such as this. Boarding procedures will no doubt be reviewed and preventive measures taken to reduce recurrence. I fear that Cornwall's C.O. faces some hard questions regardless of the outcome. His surface plot should have managed and communicated the position of all craft, particularly any patrols from the Iranian side, and the Lynx was an extra sensor/perimeter platform.

  2. The Brits did not have weapons other than side arms, not sure why or what the rules of engagement where. The U.S. ships are armed and probably would have fired.

    A US Navy warship may have fired warning shots, but only after certain criteria were met (ROE). Operations Orders, prior experience with harrassment, and escalation risk (e.g. torpedo/cruise missile attack as return fire) figure into such decisions. Naval operations in the littorals is different from sinking the Bismarck.


  3. Army Guy: And why did he not inform the iranian gunboats to keep thier distance or be fire upon...i mean a modern frigate could have easily handled the gunboats....Can someone out there with a navy back ground explain this to us...

    The HMS Cornwall was nowhere near. But the Royal Navy had a helicopter in the area keeping tabs on the searches.

    After the prior incident (2004?), I was surprised that the boarding wasn't executed with more care about possible harassment from Iranian patrols (common since the moderates lost power). Perhaps HMS Cornwall's skipper considered the angels flight (Lynx) to be enough of a deterrence, but detection of the Iranians on radar or visually should have caused immediate measures to alert the boarding party and egress from the anchored vessel at once.

    Heavy traffic could have cluttered the tracking of surface contacts by radar, but visuals from the Lynx or "Big Eyes" on the Cornwall should have alerted the Brits that something was up. Rules of engagement would clearly prevent the Cornwall from firing on the Iranian craft (not fired upon), plus, as DoP stated, Cornwall was several kilometers away.

    Here is a good map of the relative positions from the BBC:


  4. Yeah, that posed an interesting problem for us, what with all the leftwing threatening to flee to the US if Harper won. I don't know what eventually happened to them on both sides...maybe they went to Cuba or some other socialist Nirvana.

    Then it must be said that more respect is due the Loyalists of yesterday than the Leftists of today. They actually left!

  5. I wish we were situated somewhere in between one of the Scandinavian countries, that would seem alright. I don't mind American's, but at times one wonders whether or not some of that money on defence can be put to better use. I think they were developing a ray gun, why not put that money towards something useful like education or health care.

    OK....we'll start with the "defence money" that ends up in Canada. Canadian unemployment dropped to 4% during the Vietnam War!

  6. ...To me it is years of having 'WE ARE # 1' 'USA USA USA' ect ect throw out all over the place. I don't like to judge people themselves to quick, for I would be a damn fool. But I can say I do not like the collective that are the American Citizens. Many are proud Americans. Many are smart Americans. Hell, many are even clean Americans.

    Also as a child, I was proud of being a Canadian. I am still proud to be Canadian, but I can no longer be proud of our government and the officials who run the show. Damn gotta run, I shall expand on this.

    As you wish....Canada can easily hide the me-too policies shadowed by the larger footprint of American foreign policy. But it's there if you look for it. Sherene Razack's "Dark Threats & White Knights - The Somalia Affair, Peacekeeping, and the New Imperialism" raises issues not easily explained away by "human rights" or "the Responsibility to Protect". Such rhetoric is as false as WMDs in Iraq.

  7. ....Many Canadians complain about the healthcare system but are they willing to pay a co-pay or usage fee for improved health services? Nah, probably not...so how about getting these same Canadians to pay big bucks in monthly premiums to greedy insurance companies? Well, that's how it works here in the US. So, Canadians who come across to the US for (in their opinion, better) healthcare should be thanked by those of you in Canada who use the system for not tying up services that are urgently needed by those who do not have the money, time or means to get to the US.

    They couldn't even if they wanted to in most cases....insured services for CHA covered procedures is still illegal in Canada despite the SCC's ruling. Services in the US are not always better, but often much faster, even without insurance. Canadians have the right...no, duty...to wait.

    Buying medicine or food is an easy decision.

    HillaryCare was DOA in '93....not so great for '08 (either). Medical-Pharma-Insurance is about 17% of US GDP....they won't go down without a fight.

  8. 1. Not deflecting

    2. Didn't find your commentary at all biting

    3. Not at all against my liking

    4. But still off topic. If you had connected the dots between Canadian media content managment and anti-Americanism in your initial post, then, it's on topic. But you didn't do that. If you want to talk about TV content restrictions without establishing anti-americanism as its basis, start a thread on that topic. Just a friendly suggestion.

    Like I said...deflecting. Thank you for proving my point.

  9. ....We only have George Bush publicly admitting he talked to God before he went off and murdered thousands of innocent people in Iraq, based on little more than lies and manipulations. If you dont consider that an extreme form of both religion and capitalism, at a systematic and fundamental level, at the same time, im not sure what extremism is. What is a christian president who bombs people from a distance like a coward, throwing all their body parts is every which direction imaginable, justifying it to himself in terms of his religious beliefs, if not a religious fanatic?

    I could also call him President Clinton, Prime Minister Chretien, Blair, Chirac, or Schroeder (NATO's Allied Force, aka Bombs for Muslims 1999).

  10. Washington was a great man and an wise leader.

    No doubt, but he also led a fledgling America against the most powerful Empire on the planet. At the time it was considered suicidal by so called "loyalists" who fled to Canada. Broke and losing the war, alliances and financing were sought from afar. What was this George W. thinking?


    What's up with the Chinese slur?

  11. Personally, I had thought that the advance of civilization meant that we were smarter and better organized and that governments would trend toward more competency and diligence. Not that I ever expected great things from the druggie fratboy son of Bush Sr., but the utter shambles, horror, and complete disaster that Bush's presidency has wrought has, frankly, come as a surprise to me.

    Perhaps your thought was wrong from the beginning.....and that would mean the original George W....as in Washington.

  12. Did we give them permission? If not, then absolutely we should do whatever seems appropriate to stop them.

    ....If we didn't, we should have.

    Canada usually grants permission after the fact as stern enforcement of sovereignty. Forgiveness is always easier to get than permission, especially from Canada. Now where did that Soviet Delta III go?

  13. They've got dogs too. And motion detectors.

    You have to see the border along the St-Lawrence River where the Indians bring contraband cigarettes. (There are Mohawks on opposite sides.)

    Or how about the St. Croix river between NB and Maine?

    Then there's all that empty space in North Dakota and Saskatchewan.

    Finally, there's the sheer volume of stuff crossing the "official" border that can't be held up for long.

    Let me try a comparison that I'm sure you'll appreciate. The borders between France, Germany, Belgium and Holland no longer exist. Europeans, professionals when it comes to borders, worry far more about the entry points to the continent.

    Maybe Americans will eventually come around to the same viewpoint.

    And maybe they won't...it's America's decision, not Canada's.

    Those European "professionals" still require an EU Passport, no?

    If the stupidity of patrolling and enforcing Canada's sovereignty in the North is worth votes for Grits or Tories, it is damn well good enough for Americans. LOL!


    I see they caught another Canadian illegal trying to get into the Promised Land on a Niagara ice floe. Meanwile, back at Nunavut, a Canadian patrol sets out to police the entire Arctic to enforce sovereignty.


  14. My simple point was that the current US administration is making mistakes in providing security to the American public. I admire your idealism in believing that it will soon correct for its mistakes.

    Then why didn't you say as much? All US administrations have made mistakes in providing such security (including Eisenhower's). Tell us something we don't already know.

    Canada is feeling the bite:

    In 2003, a series of disasters - the war in Iraq, SARS, BSE, West Nile virus and the eastern power outage - followed closely on the heels of 9/11. Now record fuel prices are impacting both the supply and demand sides of tourism worldwide and the dollar has soared by 31 percent. In 2004 inbound overnight travel from the United States to Canada was down 1.2 million visitors. Now Canada could face another tightening of the border. Remember just over 20 percent of US citizens hold passports.

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