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I'm part of the Left that respects our country, our flag and our troops. Not all do.

How ironic that speak of respect as you accuse "the left" of spitting on the troops. "The left" would include millions of people and we both know that nowhere near that number spit on the troops. I noticed you're able to distinquish between the few and the whole when people say Christians kill doctors who perform abortions. Furthermore, I know of no soldiers who asked those spitting upon them what the spitters' political leanings were. Last but not least, a couple of prominant very right-wing fundamental Christians blamed America for the 9-11 attacks and they sure didn't speak with respect for our country as they were doing so. To quote Fallwell: And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

Your vicious attacks, which from what I can see are only against "the left," as you claim to be a virtuous lefty yourself, speak volumes about you.

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Then why distinguish them as "the Left?" It's not as if all people of other political persuasions respects the troops. Many of them consider them to be disposable cannon fodder to be used to make a profit.

These creeps so identified themselves.

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These creeps so identified themselves.

You know, I honestly can't tell if this is one of your perceived-by-you-to-be-humorous sarcastic posts, or if you are really trying to pass this off as truth. :huh:

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How ironic that speak of respect as you accuse "the left" of spitting on the troops. "The left" would include millions of people and we both know that nowhere near that number spit on the troops. I noticed you're able to distinquish between the few and the whole when people say Christians kill doctors who perform abortions. Furthermore, I know of no soldiers who asked those spitting upon them what the spitters' political leanings were. Last but not least, a couple of prominant very right-wing fundamental Christians blamed America for the 9-11 attacks and they sure didn't speak with respect for our country as they were doing so. To quote Fallwell: And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

Your vicious attacks, which from what I can see are only against "the left," as you claim to be a virtuous lefty yourself, speak volumes about you.

Pardon me if I insert an irony. You speak of fundamental Christians as blaming America for 9/11 but seem to not be aware of the left's mindset in this matter. The left also blames America for 9/11; mind you not the nut jobs who think it was a conspiracy, although I suppose that would still make 9/11 the American government's fault.

As far as comparing spitters and doctor shooters, howzabout you try to compare apples to apples, huh?

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On behalf of 'The Left'...*haaaawwwk*....PTHOOO!

Making black and white distinctions between the Left and the Right makes it a lot easier for people who have a very remedial knowledge of political issues to keep up with the debate. Don't kick their crutch out from under them.

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My husbands ex mil and he was spat on once while in my fathers doctor's office, he had his uniform on and some ole hag took offense to military spending versus health care spending and decided to take it out on him.

Dog it happens more often than you know, if you haven't wore the uniform you don't have the right to imply those who have are lying about the leftards spitting at them. I've never met a rightwinger that treated our military members with contempt, the left is overloaded with those that hate what our military members stand for. Spitting is all they are capable of doing, to fat and lazy to raise a hand in violence so they use their abundance of bile that brews in their guts.

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Brace yourself Moxie, now that you've proven it did happen they will share such gems such as, " One single case doesn't prove anything", or "I never said it didn't EVER happen", or whatever. We could dig out video of many incidents of 'Nam or Iraq soldiers getting shameful treatment, but you know what? Why waste my time when these see no evil lefties would not change their minds unless it happened to them?

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Brace yourself Moxie, now that you've proven it did happen they will share such gems such as, " One single case doesn't prove anything", or "I never said it didn't EVER happen", or whatever. We could dig out video of many incidents of 'Nam or Iraq soldiers getting shameful treatment, but you know what? Why waste my time when these see no evil lefties would not change their minds unless it happened to them?
I must correct you. They do see evil, just not in the terrorists and dictators of the world. The only "evil" they see is from elected leaders of liberal democracies.
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We could dig out video of many incidents of 'Nam or Iraq soldiers getting shameful treatment, but you know what? Why waste my time when these see no evil lefties would not change their minds unless it happened to them?

I've always felt that supporters of these corporate-profit wars feel the occasional pang of guilt when these teenage soldiers get their body parts blown off and killed in their valiant attempts to feed Halliburton's profits. So they dig out video of incidents from 40 years ago to show how their political opponents once too had no respect for the soldiers and acted shamefully.

Of course, they're quick to offer platitudes of "supporting the troops" and will call them heroes and such. But ultimately, they stay home and watch TV and cheer on the bombing from far, far out of range.

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I've always felt that supporters of these corporate-profit wars feel the occasional pang of guilt when these teenage soldiers get their body parts blown off and killed in their valiant attempts to feed Halliburton's profits. So they dig out video of incidents from 40 years ago to show how their political opponents once too had no respect for the soldiers and acted shamefully.

Of course, they're quick to offer platitudes of "supporting the troops" and will call them heroes and such. But ultimately, they stay home and watch TV and cheer on the bombing from far, far out of range.

Hell hath not the fury of the non-combatant.

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Dog it happens more often than you know, if you haven't wore the uniform you don't have the right to imply those who have are lying about the leftards spitting at them.

Sure I do. In fact, I spit on the assertion.

I've never met a rightwinger that treated our military members with contempt, the left is overloaded with those that hate what our military members stand for. Spitting is all they are capable of doing, to fat and lazy to raise a hand in violence so they use their abundance of bile that brews in their guts.

Yeah, it's the "fat and lazy" "leftards" who are hateful. You're a pretty pretty princess.

We could dig out video of many incidents of 'Nam or Iraq soldiers getting shameful treatment, but you know what? Why waste my time when these see no evil lefties would not change their minds unless it happened to them?

Actually producing some documentary evidence would be a good start.

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I'm part of the Left that respects our country, our flag and our troops. Not all do.

And what about those on the Right who don't respect the troops? Respect/disrespect isn't a partisan issue. It comes from both the Left and the Right, and when it does, it's individuals doing it, not the Left or the Right.

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I've never met a rightwinger that treated our military members with contempt, the left is overloaded with those that hate what our military members stand for. Spitting is all they are capable of doing, to fat and lazy to raise a hand in violence so they use their abundance of bile that brews in their guts.

Yeah, it's the "fat and lazy" "leftards" who are hateful. You're a pretty pretty princess.

:lol: !

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Sure I do. In fact, I spit on the assertion.

When we returned from Somalia we were "protested" by University students. Guess what Dog? More than a few of them were spitting at us. Were they left or right? Couldn't really tell you, all we knew was that they were mostly students and they were spitting at us and yelling crap about baby killers. My little sister even accused me of being a baby killer. It does happen you know.

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....My little sister even accused me of being a baby killer. It does happen you know.

I hate war. I hate people who hate soldiers. I have when the above happens. I hate a lot of stuff Angus. But this I know. I have heard and seen people with every political and religious opinion hating, and hating soldiers as they hate many other things. Its what we humans do, hate.

We hate because as you saw from some of the above responses we make negative generalizations to rationalize or justify hating. Our strong subjective feelings get caught up in our perceptions and cloud our judgement. We make negative gerneralizations that only leftists (what-ever they are) spit on soldiers just as we do that soldiers are evil.

Its all bullshit. Its all human.

Its all about making negative generalizations. No more no less. Doesn't matter who does it, its equally as bullshit and leads to intolerance and hatred.

Its funny many on this board think I am right wing, others left wing. I am both, I respect soldiers. I also I know I am full of shit and hate and that is not a good thing. I won't speak for anyone else in that regard just me.

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1. You can't tell the difference between Israel and her enemies*.

2. You believe that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace.

3. You believe that all cultures are equally valid.

4. You believe that Iraq 2.0 is all about oil.

5. You believe that war is not the answer.

6. You believe that Fidel Castro has been a positive influence for Cuba and a role model for the world.

7. You believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

8. You believe we should sign the Kyoto Protocol.

9. You believe that socialism is still the answer.

10. You support the troops but don't support the war.

# 2 & 8 are linked and we are slowly heading down a path of destruction--not neccesarily tied to world peace but none the less threatening. 9/11 inside job? I believe they knew it was going to happen and just capitalized on it...all you have to do is check the actions of some people related to insurance that "hit the jackpot with this event." Why did he sit there for 10 minutes in that classroom? Because he knew the other plane was coming in and had to hit! :P

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# 2 & 8 are linked and we are slowly heading down a path of destruction--not neccesarily tied to world peace but none the less threatening.
Are you saying you'd prefer Castro to Bush in the role as leader of the free world?
9/11 inside job? I believe they knew it was going to happen and just capitalized on it...all you have to do is check the actions of some people related to insurance that "hit the jackpot with this event." Why did he sit there for 10 minutes in that classroom? Because he knew the other plane was coming in and had to hit! :P [/font]
I think he was gathering his thoughts rather than engendering panic. That indeed is the sign of a good leader. As a lawyer, when an alarming set of papers with a scary title is filed electronically, I don't panic. I sit down, methodically read it and decide what to do. Should a President needlessly panic a room full of children? To what end? An example from a close friend's family. My friend's father, also a lawyer, was vacationing in Mexico when he received word that a fire consumed his office. He practiced by himself. He did not cut his vacation short. He continued on his vacation, knowing that rushing back to New York would do nothing to obenefit his clients. And trust me, this person was/is a workaholic.

Was Bush going to be able to stop attacks 2, 3 and 4? Yes. I think the CIA knew that something was up with the Islamists. How in a million years are they to know who, what, and where, so they could stop the attack? A little common sense, please.

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1. You can't tell the difference between Israel and her enemies*.

2. You believe that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace.

3. You believe that all cultures are equally valid.

4. You believe that Iraq 2.0 is all about oil.

5. You believe that war is not the answer.

6. You believe that Fidel Castro has been a positive influence for Cuba and a role model for the world.

7. You believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Another particular favourite of mine.

8. You believe we should sign the Kyoto Protocol.

9. You believe that socialism is still the answer.

10. You support the troops but don't support the war.

1. no

2. No, but I sure believe that the United States isn't what it used to be..

3. Right.. Of course, there is one set of values that absolutely dominates the morality of the world. I don't believe that one culture is better than another, morality is in the eye of the beholder. Not everybody lives for the same things, we have our sets of western beliefs, and they have something else. By the way, I don't count extremists and certain tyrants, those are exceptions and they do not define their cultures. That's like talking about German culture in 1940 and describing it is as Nazi Germany.

4. Warning, long segment:

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© 2003 anarchie bunker

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

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Why doesn't the US do anything about North Korea?

5. War is not the answer, if it must take place, it must be a TOTAL LAST RESORT. War is primitive and we must find ways around it. You bring up Hitler, well we could have prevented it. Firstly, diplomatic failure during the interwar years leading the a distressed Germany. You could also say that there was a failure in diplomacy during the years leading up to WW1, bad policies..etc. Secondly, we shouldn't have let Hitler come into power, again, perhaps through diplomacy. DIPLOMACY must be the answer. Diplomacy and intelligence.

6. I don't believe that he is a role model for the world, but people live pretty happily in Cuba.

7. I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job.. I do believe that GWB and his administration certainly knew about it though. The US failed either way. If they couldn't repel the attacks, it was a failure in homeland security. If they didn't know about the attacks, it was a failure in intelligence. The ignorance card doesn't work, no one is innocent.

8. "The objective is to hamstring and regulate all world economies." - jbg

9. It never hurts to have a hint of socialism.. We are leaning further towards "socialism" than the United States of America and I like it up here a lot more.

10. You don't think that could ever make sense? The troops are fulfilling their duties towards their country. Such sacrifice and patriotism is something I could admire, especially when they are on the side of the western countries. Remember, GWB or any bad prime minister or president does not equal Canada or the United States. It is duty towards the country, not duty towards Bush or whoever.

I guess I failed your test, but they weren't very good arguments anyway..

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I would like to say that IMO, threads lke this are only inflammatory. There certainly can't be much useful come out of a thread like this. Although I'm not a leftist, those people who are, or those who might agree with many of the ten points could only be offended by being equated to an idiot, simply because they hold a different view than the original poster.

- "Maple Leaf Web operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. If at any time the discussion cease to be "intelligent" and "responsible" then the discussion will be ended.

- Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. "

Maybe someone might say, well it's not serious, but still it can only offence for those people who do believe on the ten points, whether they're "leftists" or not. So why not delete this, instead of moving it. What useful purpose does it really serve, if not to piss certain people off?

Just trying to make a suggestion..

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I would like to say that IMO, threads lke this are only inflammatory. There certainly can't be much useful come out of a thread like this. Although I'm not a leftist, those people who are, or those who might agree with many of the ten points could only be offended by being equated to an idiot, simply because they hold a different view than the original poster.

- "Maple Leaf Web operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. If at any time the discussion cease to be "intelligent" and "responsible" then the discussion will be ended.

- Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. "

Maybe someone might say, well it's not serious, but still it can only offence for those people who do believe on the ten points, whether they're "leftists" or not. So why not delete this, instead of moving it. What useful purpose does it really serve, if not to piss certain people off?

Just trying to make a suggestion..

When you rail against the name calling that goes towards the 'right' as well we will take your 'suggestion' into advisement, but not until then.

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I would like to say that IMO, threads lke this are only inflammatory. There certainly can't be much useful come out of a thread like this. Although I'm not a leftist, those people who are, or those who might agree with many of the ten points could only be offended by being equated to an idiot, simply because they hold a different view than the original poster.

- "Maple Leaf Web operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. If at any time the discussion cease to be "intelligent" and "responsible" then the discussion will be ended.

- Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. "

Maybe someone might say, well it's not serious, but still it can only offence for those people who do believe on the ten points, whether they're "leftists" or not. So why not delete this, instead of moving it. What useful purpose does it really serve, if not to piss certain people off?

Just trying to make a suggestion..

You missed out on buffycat and kuzadd. Gone and defeated, but not forgotten. Had you been there, you'd understand the thread's context.

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