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Nice. One of the nice things about living in Abbotsford is we get to hear those big round engines quite often, particularly in the spring when Conair is doing test flights and pilot training.

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Guest Derek L

Good idea for a thread!!!!

Growing up in the sixties, and forcing my Father (retired RN Fleet Air Arm) to endure the Battle of Britain and Reach for the Sky numerous times in theatre and TV, by far (and still one of today), the Spitfire…….So much so, my uncle (also retired FAA) nicknamed me Crab….by coincidence I also share the same Birthday as Sir Douglas Bader

And for my poor old father who flew them:

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The Spit was an excellent short-range interceptor but lacked in the escort department. Not as versitile as the Hurricane, either. But as an early war dogfighter, not much could really match it. I believe it also suffered from gravity fed carbs which would stall the engine when pulling negative Gs...at least the early marks. So it did have its flaws. But it also had heavy firepower...especially the late war models. No ammo, though...lol. A few seconds or so worth of cannon fire at the most. Ever try IL-2 Sturmovik? It covers all areas of WW2 air combat.

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The Spit was an excellent short-range interceptor but lacked in the escort department. Not as versitile as the Hurricane, either. But as an early war dogfighter, not much could really match it. I believe it also suffered from gravity fed carbs which would stall the engine when pulling negative Gs...at least the early marks. So it did have its flaws. But it also had heavy firepower...especially the late war models. No ammo, though...lol. A few seconds or so worth of cannon fire at the most. Ever try IL-2 Sturmovik? It covers all areas of WW2 air combat.

In fairness to the Spitfire, it was never really intended for anything but an interceptor………With the (incorrect idea) being that Bomber Command, what with their “heavily armed” aircraft (Like the Wimpy above) and the doctrine of night attacks would allow the heavies to go unescorted………..The first British foray into escorts, the Typhoon, was also a failure (in it’s intended role).

In my opinion, the only successful multi-role aircraft the RAF ever operated were the Sopwith Camel, Mustangs and Phantoms……..The jury is still out of the Tiffy 2.….

As for the IL-2, nope...is that a video game? It looks like something my...ahhh...son might like....That said, I did "try" these for nearly nine years :

B)

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Sea Kings eh? Pretty sweet. I don't have anything nearly that cool under my belt.

:)

As for kids...daughter grown-up...so I'm back to being one...a kid...lol. When I had IL-2 installed, I'd go at it with a bunch of military types from all the services in an online Navy VF squadron (Wildcats/Hellcats). We'd take on similar Japanese squadrons. Better than TV.

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Guest Derek L

Sea Kings eh? Pretty sweet. I don't have anything nearly that cool under my belt.

:)

As for kids...daughter grown-up...so I'm back to being one...a kid...lol. When I had IL-2 installed, I'd go at it with a bunch of military types from all the services in an online Navy VF squadron (Wildcats/Hellcats). We'd take on similar Japanese squadrons. Better than TV.

It was defiantly an experience, but nearly twenty years later, I‘m a LASIK procedure away from being comfortable driving in the rain at night <_<

As I was telling you earlier, with my father’s later military experience flying Trackers off Bonnie, my service and my daughters plans to go to RMC, and if she becomes inflicted with the black magic associated with gyroscopic precession, coupled with any further delays in CH-148 entering full squadron service Our family would be on it’s third generation to serve with the Sea Things……..I don’t know whether to laugh or cry………

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In my opinion, the only successful multi-role aircraft the RAF ever operated were the Sopwith Camel, Mustangs and Phantoms……..The jury is still out of the Tiffy 2.….

Can you say Mosquito? The Beaufighter was no slouch either.

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Can you say Mosquito? The Beaufighter was no slouch either.

Ahh, but both of those weren’t truly optimized as fighters (not to diminish their roles as night fighters), in the classic sense and later in the war, during daytime raids often had escorts themselves…..

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Ahh, but both of those weren’t truly optimized as fighters (not to diminish their roles as night fighters), in the classic sense and later in the war, during daytime raids often had escorts themselves…..

Only if your premise is that one function of a multi roll aircraft has to be a day fighter. The Mosquito was used as a night fighter, intruder, day and night bomber, photo reconnaissance, ground attack, anti shipping, courier aircraft and it excelled in all those roles. Most of the time it was unescorted because it had better performance than most German fighters. There was even a carrier torpedo bomber version with folding wings. If that isn't a multi purpose aircraft, I don't know what is.

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Only if your premise is that one function of a multi roll aircraft has to be a day fighter. The Mosquito was used as a night fighter, intruder, day and night bomber, photo reconnaissance, ground attack, anti shipping, courier aircraft and it excelled in all those roles. Most of the time it was unescorted because it had better performance than most German fighters. There was even a carrier torpedo bomber version with folding wings. If that isn't a multi purpose aircraft, I don't know what is.

Perhaps I should have rephrased that to multi-role fighter………The Mosquito though faster then most German aircraft, was severely lacking in rate of climb, agility, acceleration and blind spots when compared to a Me-109 or Fw 190, all important attributes when in a dogfight……. It’s success as a night fighter had more to do with it’s radar.

I’d liken the Mosquito more to a (very successful) interdictor/attack aircraft like the Buccaneer, Thunderchief, Aardvark or Tornado….

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I wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the arts and culture forum. I picked here because I thought it would appeal to some of you who are fans of classic aircraft.

I recently saw a gripping animation depicting a WWII dogfight between two relentless pilots of a Spitfire and a Messerschmitt 109. Although animated, the two aircraft are shown in tremendous detail. I really enjoyed the sense of motion the film gives. Most of us only get to fly in the passenger seat of aircraft that make slow turns, go straight, and stay at the same altitude for most of the trip. This animation gives an idea what it might be like to be in a swooping, agile aircraft trying to pursue and evade another swooping, agile aircraft and keep it in the sights long enough to shoot it down. I am sure there's some artistic license here, but overall I thought it was terrific. It's from Poland, and I gather it's by a film-school student. I would give him an A+.

Fair warning: the film makes a rather startling change in tone at about 5:50, which is foreshadowed by the title. I found it rather jarring, and if you're just interested in the planes, you might want to stop watching at 5:49... Regardless, I really enjoyed this video.

Without further ado... Paths of Hate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2XOcfQZlDk

Higher resolution version:

-k

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When I was a kid I built a model of the Messerschmidt ME-109. Always liked how they had that crazy spiral painted on the propeller.

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When I was a kid I built a model of the Messerschmidt ME-109. Always liked how they had that crazy spiral painted on the propeller.

The spiral was a marking of certain squadrons.

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I really like the ones that don't fall out of the sky when you're travelling in them. That can really ruin a business trip or worse, vacation. That's not to mention the mess it leaves on the ground. So, yeah. My favourite aircraft are definitely the ones that stay afloat.

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Indeed. :D

Jimmy Stewart could fly numerous aircraft including the 47. His last combat mission was over Viet-Nam in a B-52.

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Cool...reminds me of my Sgt. Rock comic books from the 1960's.

It reminded me of the B-17 sequence from Heavy Metal, for a couple of reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_7KO1tn9o

That's really cool, kimmy. Reminds me of my CFS2, IL2 days. Multiplayer...

These are video games?

-k

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