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Exactly. So was Leni Riefenstahl

I saw no indication in any commentary about Bodeker that he had ever had any associations or reputation as a racist. If you have any such information I'd be interested in seeing it. It's clear that he is in some sense an advocate for white people, or perhaps merely a disgruntedled white man tired of white men always being blamed for everything. In any event, I don't think it's particularly fair to compare him to Hitler's propaganda filmmaker simply because he asks uncomfortable truths about society's conventional thinking regarding racism.

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Very good question. Affirmative action does not mean that you hire black over white if all else is equal (or for education purposes admit black over white).

that's entirely false... racial quotas? hellooooo?

and when does it ever happen that two candidates are PRECISELY equal in merits? answer: NEVER.

no companies ARE FORCED to have a certain racial mix ... if not they pay... so its to thier advantage to opt for the slower, less qualified black...

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that's entirely false... racial quotas? hellooooo?

and when does it ever happen that two candidates are PRECISELY equal in merits? answer: NEVER.

no companies ARE FORCED to have a certain racial mix ... if not they pay... so its to thier advantage to opt for the slower, less qualified black...

what if he's faster and more qualified?

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are you sure?

also, it does happen sometimes taht the best candidate for a position isn't preferred.. .

my father once hired a guy who graduated with a GPA of 2.78 over another with 3.88 (both where white)...

at the end of the day it should be the employer's call...

the point remains though, if you want to aim for racial equality... act like it...

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racism doesn't have the same definition for us.

Its been said over and over (and the documentary I linked speaks about this very subject) that THERE IS NO DEFINITE DEFINITION OF RACISM... its become a completely subjective word...

To you it is some sort of "sin" or a moral failing of some sort... (that only whites are capable of)

To me "racism" ie the recognition that races are real and are not equal... is simply a fact of evolution... The subconscious and conscious practice of "racial cognition" is indeed a natural trait...

Nice try at hinding your hatred behind science.

BTW, I do not believe for one second that racism is a one way street. Typical lictor intellectual dishonesty.

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I don't think there is any real racism out there today, at least, not based on the definition that one race is genetically superior to another. Oh there are a few fringe types waaaay out there who will make that sort of suggestion, but their numbers are tiny.

For the most part, what we are calling "racism" is not racism at all (ie, not a belief in the racial superiority of one group) it is suspicion/distrust of a different group based on either a misunderstanding of that group's generic/general behaviour, or, let's face it, based on disapproval of that group's actual generic/general behaviour.

Jessie Jackson can say that when he sees a group of young whites behind him he's far less worried than if they were young Blacks and no one accuses him of racism. But if Jessie Jackson feels Blacks, esp young Blacks, are criminally inclined, how do you think many members of the broader community feel?

I have never heard anyone say anything bad about Blacks or Muslims based on anything other than observed behaviour and cultural factors.

Young black teenager will say that when they go into a store, the clerks/security watch them much more closely than they would if they were white. On the other hand, every time I hear about a group of "teenagers" swarming some store, grabbing leather jackets or boots and beating staff on their way out, it is Blacks. If police or security or clerks are watching young Blacks more intently than they do young Whites its based on the fact young Blacks are far more crime/violence prone, as a group, than young Whites. That's not racism. That's judgment based on experience.

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I don't think there is any real racism out there today, at least, not based on the definition that one race is genetically superior to another. Oh there are a few fringe types waaaay out there who will make that sort of suggestion, but their numbers are tiny.

Racism is also the belief that all members of a certain group are automatically to be treated like criminals.

Jessie Jackson can say that when he sees a group of young whites behind him he's far less worried than if they were young Blacks and no one accuses him of racism. But if Jessie Jackson feels Blacks, esp young Blacks, are criminally inclined, how do you think many members of the broader community feel?

That does not make him right, and I will say it - he holds a racist stereotype about members of his own community.

I have never heard anyone say anything bad about Blacks or Muslims based on anything other than observed behaviour and cultural factors.

Young black teenager will say that when they go into a store, the clerks/security watch them much more closely than they would if they were white. On the other hand, every time I hear about a group of "teenagers" swarming some store, grabbing leather jackets or boots and beating staff on their way out, it is Blacks.

Curious, I have heard about Whites doing it too.

That's judgment based on experience.

And my judgement based on experience is that I have NEVER, in my life, had any problem or incident with Black or Muslim men. Interesting, considering that, among other things, I live 300 ft. from a mosque.

There is one thing to say that certain groups commit more crimes, especially when this is the case. This is another case to preach that we should all ignore our capacity to think rationally and rely on knee-jerk reactions every time we come across young Blacks or a group of Muslims.

PS: Yes, I have a few times in my life reacted on the basis on ingrained stereotypes. But then, I smarted up real quick once I started thinking about it.

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I believe it was Jesse Jackson that said "I want to cut his nuts off" in reference to Obama's speech about there being too many black fathers who are MIA...AWOL. But this is the same man who gave a full scholarship to the woman who apparently falsely accused some Duke university students of rape.

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Racism is ingrained in all of us. Even when its not completely obvious in a particular interaction between people, it is still there, below the surface. There is a natural, or at least initial, distrust when encountering someone of a different race or culture, and this may be a normal defense mechanism. Since there has been such a long history of race hatred and misunderstanding, it adds to the distrust. But once we establish that the other person is not a threat, most people don't have a problem after that. I think thats the difference right there, between a normal persons reaction and that of a racist.

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I watched it, its not overtly racist but highly contradictory. How can stormfront promote a video about racism's lack of existence? The irony!

Stormfront isn't racist, they just hate black people. And Jews. And Arabs. And Asians. And anyone else that's not white, or Christian. :blink::unsure:

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I believe it was Jesse Jackson that said "I want to cut his nuts off" in reference to Obama's speech about there being too many black fathers who are MIA...AWOL. But this is the same man who gave a full scholarship to the woman who apparently falsely accused some Duke university students of rape.

Did Jackson actually give it to her, or did he just offer it to her at the time that just about everyone was believing her claim?

The Duke university students who were accused of the rape were treated horribly-- by the university and the community. It wasn't just blacks who jumped on that bandwagon.

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Did Jackson actually give it to her, or did he just offer it to her at the time that just about everyone was believing her claim?

The Duke university students who were accused of the rape were treated horribly-- by the university and the community. It wasn't just blacks who jumped on that bandwagon.

Apparently not. When the case was no longer of any advantage for Jackson to be involved in, he pulled tent-pegs and ran like the opportunist he is. He didn't do actual rape victims any service by his actions.

Indeed it wasn't 'just blacks', as most people following the story gave the young lady the benefit of the doubt without actually looking into both sides of the story. Thirty drunken frat-boys just HAD to be guilty. Besides, their lacrosse team was known for causing drunken-trouble.

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Nice try at hinding your hatred behind science.

BTW, I do not believe for one second that racism is a one way street. Typical lictor intellectual dishonesty.

no no you clearly do, your double standards are quite obvious in determining this. You apply a different set of guidelines concerning racism to whites then you do for minorities.

you think nothing of the racist policy of affirmative action for instance, you fail to give any concrete specific definition of racism to disguise your obvious "racism".

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Apparently not. When the case was no longer of any advantage for Jackson to be involved in, he pulled tent-pegs and ran like the opportunist he is. He didn't do actual rape victims any service by his actions.

Indeed it wasn't 'just blacks', as most people following the story gave the young lady the benefit of the doubt without actually looking into both sides of the story. Thirty drunken frat-boys just HAD to be guilty. Besides, their lacrosse team was known for causing drunken-trouble.

No, Jackson didn't do actual rape victims any service by his actions, but the woman making the claim really hurt actual rape victims; the brunt of the wrongdoing falls on her. Jackson made the mistake of believing her without benefit of a trial, but so did way too many others. The community at large, university at large, and students at large were no better. I say "at large" because of course it wasn't everyone, but I was appalled by the way so many people assumed guilt and really treated the lacrosse players horribly.

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No, Jackson didn't do actual rape victims any service by his actions, but the woman making the claim really hurt actual rape victims; the brunt of the wrongdoing falls on her. Jackson made the mistake of believing her without benefit of a trial, but so did way too many others. The community at large, university at large, and students at large were no better. I say "at large" because of course it wasn't everyone, but I was appalled by the way so many people assumed guilt and really treated the lacrosse players horribly.

yet strangely the fake Duke incident was ALL OVER THE NEWS even in canada... and it even made it to SKYNEWS in britain...

why?

because the alleged victim was black and the perps: white...

reverse the races ... and we have nothing... why do we scarcely hear of the 37 000 annual rapes of white women at the hands of blacks? Where are the human rights court? the hate crime accusations?

also where is the WHITE JESSIE JACKSON? Do white people have advocates.... oh that's right ... they don't...

all of this is double standard nonsense to be sure... but I don,t expect you to say anything about it... because whether you admit it or not: you really do excuse criminal acts if the race of the offender isn't white... like most people on the left do.

this is what you and likeminded people are permitting to happen:

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yet strangely the fake Duke incident was ALL OVER THE NEWS even in canada... and it even made it to SKYNEWS in britain...

why?

because the alleged victim was black and the perps: white...

reverse the races ... and we have nothing... why do we scarcely hear of the 37 000 annual rapes of white women at the hands of blacks? Where are the human rights court? the hate crime accusations?

also where is the WHITE JESSIE JACKSON? Do white people have advocates.... oh that's right ... they don't...

all of this is double standard nonsense to be sure... but I don,t expect you to say anything about it... because whether you admit it or not: you really do excuse criminal acts if the race of the offender isn't white... like most people on the left do.

this is what you and likeminded people are permitting to happen:

Maybe we should concentrate on raising our children the old fashioned way - that being good is the only option...seeing that we have secularized the western world - and we teach the children that there is no such thing as good and evil - well ------------------they commit evil..It's not the race -- It's the programming of the population - the EXPERIMENT IS A FAILURE.

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Maybe we should concentrate on raising our children the old fashioned way - that being good is the only option...seeing that we have secularized the western world - and we teach the children that there is no such thing as good and evil - well ------------------they commit evil..It's not the race -- It's the programming of the population - the EXPERIMENT IS A FAILURE.

its largely thanks to our Chrisitainity that we are where we are today. And most of the churches are traitors and defectors to the left anyway... why would returning to primitive Christianity help at all?

it was the church who sold out the white south afrikaaners, and told them not to resist black rule and even hid weapons and grenades in churches to be used in terrorist attacks by the ANC...

the churches are our enemies... for their past transgression: they fully deserve to be eradicated.

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its largely thanks to our Chrisitainity that we are where we are today. And most of the churches are traitors and defectors to the left anyway... why would returning to primitive Christianity help at all?

it was the church who sold out the white south afrikaaners, and told them not to resist black rule and even hid weapons and grenades in churches to be used in terrorist attacks by the ANC...

the churches are our enemies... for their past transgression: they fully deserve to be eradicated.

Returning to the "church" would not be helpful..nor would returning to state sponsored religion be helpful..far as I am concerened neither of these things have anything to do with the very early Christian movement. I do agree on the eradication of evil - religion is evil..yes that's a bold and cold statement and perhaps to radical for the typical fundie to absorb - so what! The concepts of good and evil should not be ignored and the concept of life - and goodness or God should not be ignored. It sure would be nice if we simplified things - that if you do this - destructions results - If you do that - prosperity peace and happiness prevails - Christianity was a movement based in logic - not smoke and mirrors and virgins and a bunch of Paulist shit..that is the begining of what we call politics..

What you seem to resent is not the goodness or the God factor, but the crap that is religious control and abuse..Christianity was about resisting the state and the power and dignity of the individual - we have removed human dignity - through religion AND secularization.

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