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Then it would create a constitutional battle requiring the opening of the document. Equalization also requires re negociation with the provinces ever so many years, the court cannot impose an agreement.

If the government resets it to zero and tries to get it through the house, it CAN be struck down by the court.

It doesn't matter. This is all a distraction to the poll at hand, and the poll at hand clearly has a majority of Canadians why the house needs to be prorogued.

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That damned formula is the source of much ill will in this nation and it is also the source of much benefit. I don't like it at all, but its there and there is very little that can be done about it.

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Parliament shutdown leaves Tories, Liberals nearly tied: pollConservative support drops in wake of PM's decision to prorogue Parliament

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/750302--shutdown-leaves-tories-liberals-nearly-tied-poll

CPC 31 Down 10%

LPC 30 UP 2%

NDP 18 Up 4%

I see no BQ or Green Party #s.

I understand the PMO is looking for a quick turn-around on the dramatic Harper Conservative downturn... apparently, tour dates are being worked out with Yo-Yo Ma, as we speak!

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Conservatives down every except...you guessed it - and majority too!!

So why do Albertans vote like sheep?

what do sheep and Albertans have in common?... many aren't very smart (educated/sophisticated) and are easily led...the others are just looking out for their jobs(oil) which is understandable and no different than the ontario auto workers...

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I don't take any money from your paycheque. The fact is that it's federal money that belongs to all Canadians. It will go to Canadians who deserve it despite where they reside. If someone needs it in Ontario, it will go to them, in BC the same, in Alberta the same. There's a quite a few more people in Alberta that qualify for EI benefits far quicker than people in Ontario. Now that there are a lot more Albertans on EI because of the temporary halt in oil expansion, there are a lot more Albertans taking that money. It doesn't matter where it's coming from in Canada, just so long as they're getting that help until they can find other work.

Alberta is like my brothers wife, "your money is our money, but my money is my money"...they want to share in all the advantages of being Canadian but none of the disadvantages, it pure greed...

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Parliament shutdown leaves Tories, Liberals nearly tied: pollConservative support drops in wake of PM's decision to prorogue Parliament

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/750302--shutdown-leaves-tories-liberals-nearly-tied-poll

CPC 31 Down 10%

LPC 30 UP 2%

NDP 18 Up 4%

I see no BQ or Green Party #s.

Well, we'll see how it goes, but I think the Tories are finding out that maybe banking on apathy isn't always a winning strategy. Clearly Canadians want their MPs in Ottawa, not planning out their Olympic itineraries. Now that we have Page's report basically debunking Flattery's nonsense, there is simply nothing left to the argument "we need Parliament recessed to do economic and budgetary planning".

Anybody think Harper's going to try to pull the pin on the election grenade now?

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Well, we'll see how it goes, but I think the Tories are finding out that maybe banking on apathy isn't always a winning strategy. Clearly Canadians want their MPs in Ottawa, not planning out their Olympic itineraries. Now that we have Page's report basically debunking Flattery's nonsense, there is simply nothing left to the argument "we need Parliament recessed to do economic and budgetary planning".

Anybody think Harper's going to try to pull the pin on the election grenade now?

and it could've been avoided by delivering what they said they would, an open transparent government...but no we got just the opposite, muzzled, secretive, vindictive, cover-ups and now run away and hide...all they had to do was admit they knew about the torture allegations and apologize for being slow to react and this would've blown over...but they attacked the source of the info, lied and now prorogued to avoid disclosure of their behaviour...now Canadians are seeing the true nature of this conservative monster...

If the polls are accurate Harper won't call an election, if he does and comes back with yet another minority his political career is over...not sure if the libs will or not either...

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Anybody think Harper's going to try to pull the pin on the election grenade now?

LOL

Harper pulled an Ignatieff. Much like Ignatieff miscalculated public opinion polls when in a statistical tie and announced he was forcing an election, Harper has miscalculated his near majority public opinion poll and actually pulled the plug on government.

A 10% drop is massive.

DOH!

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Apparently no good news to be found with the Harper Holiday.

NEW ANGUS REID

http://www.visioncritical.com/2010/01/after-prorogation-tory-lead-over-liberals-drops-to-six-points/

Con - 34% (-2 since Dec 9-10)

Lib - 28% (-1)

NDP - 19% (+3)

BQ - 9% (-2)

Grn - 8% (+2)

"Momentum score for the Prime Minister drops, as a majority of Canadians expect a federal election to take place this year.

Since the Prime Minister’s decision to prorogue Parliament, the governing Conservative Party has lost support across Canada, while the New Democratic Party (NDP) begins the year in a good position, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found."

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Apparently no good news to be found with the Harper Holiday.

NEW ANGUS REID

http://www.visioncritical.com/2010/01/after-prorogation-tory-lead-over-liberals-drops-to-six-points/

Con - 34% (-2 since Dec 9-10)

Lib - 28% (-1)

NDP - 19% (+3)

BQ - 9% (-2)

Grn - 8% (+2)

"Momentum score for the Prime Minister drops, as a majority of Canadians expect a federal election to take place this year.

Since the Prime Minister’s decision to prorogue Parliament, the governing Conservative Party has lost support across Canada, while the New Democratic Party (NDP) begins the year in a good position, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found."

Wait two weeks and look at the polls then. That will be the poll of polls at least until a general election nails down the truth. Until then its all just speculation. Just keep in mind that the vast majority of Canadians are normally apathetic, but they could stand up in protest and if that happens its all over for King Steve.

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This is the 3rd Poll confirming a massive slide for the CPC.

The gap between the CPC and LPC changed from 15.0 points to 1.6 Points.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/01/13/ekos-conservatives-liberals-poll-prorogue-suspend.html

CPC 30.9

LPC 29.3

NDP 15.3

GPC 11.9

BQ 10.2

Government moving in wrong direction

The EKOS poll found that almost 64 percent of respondents felt suspending Parliament was "anti-democratic."

About 47 per cent told EKOS the government was moving in the wrong direction a sentiment expressed for the first time since June 2009.

EKOS president Frank Graves said the results show the issue of prorogation isn't as obscure a topic as many people might have thought.

"Canadians have noticed, they do care and this is having a very negative impact on Conservative fortunes," Graves said.

The poll was conducted from Jan. 6 to Jan. 12 and involved a random sample of 3,730 Canadians. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

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This is the 3rd Poll confirming a massive slide for the CPC.

The gap between the CPC and LPC changed from 15.0 points to 1.6 Points.

People keep talking about how Iggy blows it. Why are they never talking about how Harper keeps blowing it? Burning a 15 point lead over the space of four or five months. Is there anybody around here who is willing to maintain that Harper is some sort of master strategist?

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Alberta is like my brothers wife, "your money is our money, but my money is my money"...they want to share in all the advantages of being Canadian but none of the disadvantages, it pure greed...

What advantage is it that you speak of?

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This is the 3rd Poll confirming a massive slide for the CPC.

The gap between the CPC and LPC changed from 15.0 points to 1.6 Points.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/01/13/ekos-conservatives-liberals-poll-prorogue-suspend.html

CPC 30.9

LPC 29.3

NDP 15.3

GPC 11.9

BQ 10.2

The question is were is that support going, the other parties have not benefited from the CPC slide, so has all of this just increased voter apathy?

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The question is were is that support going, the other parties have not benefited from the CPC slide, so has all of this just increased voter apathy?

Quite possibly. And that might be the saddest aspect of the entire prorogation fiasco, and possibly the most damning indictment of the Harper government.

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Quite possibly. And that might be the saddest aspect of the entire prorogation fiasco, and possibly the most damning indictment of the Harper government.

I doubt it is just Harper that has brought us to increased voter apathy, its more likely that all the parties are beginning to be viewed the same by the electorate, all offering nothing that the apathetic segment wants.

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I doubt it is just Harper that has brought us to increased voter apathy, its more likely that all the parties are beginning to be viewed the same by the electorate, all offering nothing that the apathetic segment wants.

Which explains why the only party with any substantial drop is the Conservatives.

Strikes me that, at least, the other parties are hanging on to their support. It's only the Tories that seem to be shedding people who could potentially be categorized now as "undecided" or "apathetic".

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Which explains why the only party with any substantial drop is the Conservatives.

Strikes me that, at least, the other parties are hanging on to their support. It's only the Tories that seem to be shedding people who could potentially be categorized now as "undecided" or "apathetic".

It shows us that everyone is still sitting around base level support.

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The question is were is that support going, the other parties have not benefited from the CPC slide, so has all of this just increased voter apathy?

huh!... seems those poll percentage numbers approximate 100% of the electorate (polled). Or do you subscribe to some Fox News type analysis, like here... or here :lol:

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It shows us that everyone is still sitting around base level support.

Man but I do enjoy the spin. Before it was "we don't believe those polls...", now it's "why that's perfectly normal!"

What it confirms is that wherever those votes went, the December prorogation effectively dropped Tory support from high 30s down to the low (in the basement) 30s. If that isn't a sign of a disastrous decision, I'm not sure what is.

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The question is were is that support going, the other parties have not benefited from the CPC slide, so has all of this just increased voter apathy?

I believe a number of election prediction pundits are analyzing the data. The last I heard is that this drop could result the loss of 33 seats. Compare that two the 22 seat loss they were predicting for Ignatieff after his botched election call.

Call it whatever you like, it don't look good nor should it.

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I believe a number of election prediction pundits are analyzing the data. The last I heard is that this drop could result the loss of 33 seats. Compare that two the 22 seat loss they were predicting for Ignatieff after his botched election call.

Call it whatever you like, it don't look good nor should it.

But donchaknow, they'll have all sorts of support in the Senate now!!!

I hope prorogation was worth MacKay's political future and a few extra seats in the Senate, because the Tories have effectively wiped out any of the gains they made since last summer in one fell swoop.

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If that isn't a sign of a disastrous decision, I'm not sure what is.

When Flannagan stabs you in the back, you know you have made a disasterous decision.

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Man but I do enjoy the spin. Before it was "we don't believe those polls...", now it's "why that's perfectly normal!"

What it confirms is that wherever those votes went, the December prorogation effectively dropped Tory support from high 30s down to the low (in the basement) 30s. If that isn't a sign of a disastrous decision, I'm not sure what is.

I never said it wasn't disastrous drop did I? What it does show is that the none of the above option is growing, since the other parties aren't moving their support forward at the conservative parties expense. It shows that the other parties aren't offering something that the growing segment of apathetic voters want either.

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