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Apparently NASA is also behind this conspiracy. According to them, the last decade was the hottest decade on record and 2009 was one of the warmest years.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html

the conspiracy is strong... and runs deep - real deep!

it's so rampant, the favourite skeptic creationist, Roy Spencer, has even been co-opted. Just imagine, after coming out of a fairly robust La Nina these last years, Spencer has the fortitude to "jimmy" his UAH satellite data around the most inconvenient rising El Nino (as relatively modest as it's projected to be). The warmest January in the 32-year satellite-based data record - oh my! ("one month is just weather"... "it's only an outlier", shout the deniers.)

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Marc Sheppard continues the beat-down for the collapse before our eyes:

oh please - not more of Marc Sheppard and the American Stinker :lol:

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the conspiracy is strong... and runs deep - real deep!

Yes, the conspiracy of incompetence continues, hoping to salvage something from the collapsed rubble.

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Yes, the conspiracy of incompetence continues, hoping to salvage something from the collapsed rubble.

your insight is always so balanced - carry it forward... cast your eye upon the rubble swath and project your insight towards the salvage return. What say ye will transpire, oh insightful one?

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your insight is always so balanced - carry it forward... cast your eye upon the rubble swath and project your insight towards the salvage return. What say ye will transpire, oh insightful one?

It matters not to me, being completely indifferent to the pending doom, real or imagined. Consider the IPCC's uncertain future and reliance on a "snakepit of scheming" to be just another epsiode, like The Empire Strikes Back.

...and it seemed to be going so well. LOL! :lol:

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It matters not to me, being completely indifferent to the pending doom, real or imagined. Consider the IPCC's uncertain future and reliance on a "snakepit of scheming" to be just another epsiode, like The Empire Strikes Back.

...and it seemed to be going so well. LOL! :lol:

equating the denier campaign to "The Empire Strikes Back" is quite apropos... how does that series end, anyway?

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equating the denier campaign to "The Empire Strikes Back" is quite apropos... how does that series end, anyway?

It ends in the way that eventually makes a toasted IPCC happy.....massive "global warming" due to our own "Death Star"....unpreventable with even carbon credits! :P

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This story is about the public recognition of a scam, which was foiled at the last minute. Whoever released those e-mails should get a Nobel prize.

That has yet to be shown, actually. If he failed to comply with the law regarding FOI then he has something to explain, and he should get in trouble for it.

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That has yet to be shown, actually. If he failed to comply with the law regarding FOI then he has something to explain, and he should get in trouble for it.

I'm not sure what you mean, Michael. Are you saying we should shoot the messenger and not deal with the message?

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That has yet to be shown, actually. If he failed to comply with the law regarding FOI then he has something to explain, and he should get in trouble for it.

Michael, you need to raise your sights... bugs is scamming the bigger-picture - certainly not the low-level Hackergate stuff! :lol:

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Of course NASA is behind this "conspiracy", beholden to continued research funding like any other such endeavor. At least hold that and other like minded organizations to the same standard as Big Oil seeking continued profits.

IPCC: International Pack of Climate Crooks

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/ipcc_international_pack_of_cli.html

Simply stated, we've been swindled. We've been set up as marks by a gang of opportunistic hucksters who have exploited the naïvely altruistic intentions of the environmental movement in an effort to control international energy consumption while redistributing global wealth and (in many cases) greedily lining their own pockets in the process.

So we have at least three implied conspiracies to;

1. Control international energy consumption - breaks anti-trust laws

2. Redistribute global wealth - communist subversion

3. Line criminal's pockets - theft of public funds

Considering the trillions that were spent to deter communism alone, shouldn't the FBI and the Department's of Homeland Security and Justice etc be allocating whatever it takes to investigate these alleged conspiracies and determine if charges should be brought against individuals or organizations engaging in them?

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I'm not sure what you mean, Michael. Are you saying we should shoot the messenger and not deal with the message?

There seems to be some kind of feeling out there that these emails indicate either that CO2 doesn't cause warming, or that warming isn't happening. That's not the case, from what I can see.

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So we have at least three implied conspiracies to;

1. Control international energy consumption - breaks anti-trust laws

2. Redistribute global wealth - communist subversion

3. Line criminal's pockets - theft of public funds

Considering the trillions that were spent to deter communism alone, shouldn't the FBI and the Department's of Homeland Security and Justice etc be allocating whatever it takes to investigate these alleged conspiracies and determine if charges should be brought against individuals or organizations engaging in them?

The efforts of oil companies, and the national armies protecting their supplies warrants a new thread.

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The efforts of oil companies, and the national armies protecting their supplies warrants a new thread.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

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Considering the trillions that were spent to deter communism alone, shouldn't the FBI and the Department's of Homeland Security and Justice etc be allocating whatever it takes to investigate these alleged conspiracies and determine if charges should be brought against individuals or organizations engaging in them?

No. But nice try.....

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And... Is this Hymalayan example going to be reposted over and over again ? We already had 'Global Warming Backdown' from you.

How about the African example? Is that more to your taste?

Ever more question marks have been raised in recent weeks over the reputations of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and of its chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri. But the latest example to emerge is arguably the most bizarre and scandalous of all. It centres on a very specific scare story which was included in the IPCC's 2007 report, although it was completely at odds with the scientific evidence – including that produced by the British expert in charge of the relevant section of the report

African Crops another Catastrophe for IPCC

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How about the African example? Is that more to your taste?

Ever more question marks have been raised in recent weeks over the reputations of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and of its chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri. But the latest example to emerge is arguably the most bizarre and scandalous of all. It centres on a very specific scare story which was included in the IPCC's 2007 report, although it was completely at odds with the scientific evidence – including that produced by the British expert in charge of the relevant section of the report

African Crops another Catastrophe for IPCC

Yes, much more to my taste. As Dr. Andrew Weaver of uVic has indicated, Working Group II isn't being adequately monitored.

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Yes, much more to my taste. As Dr. Andrew Weaver of uVic has indicated, Working Group II isn't being adequately monitored.

yabut... more of the same from the 'social science' WG2 report - same comment as before, other than the manufactured doubt and uncertainty, what's the actual impact of these little ditty's?

I'm beginning to read cautious concerns on various skeptic/denier blogs... actual concern that there may end up being a clear restructuring that allows the WG1 actual science (the scientific community/climatologists) to more formally define itself separate from the relative infancy and less robust practices of the WG2 social science community... and, of course, the policy extensions. This certainly won't fit the current model that allows skeptic/deniers an indirect path to presume to cast doubt and uncertainty on the actual science. Yes, there is real concern in the denialsphere that they may actually be "killing the golden goose path" of manufactured doubt/uncertainty.

for what it's worth:

- the actual IPCC report carries this footnote in regards the referenced WG2 author's paper (re: Agoumi, 2003); specifically, "Note that several authors (e.g., Agoumi, 2003; Legesse et al., 2003; Conway, 2005, Thornton et al., 2006) caution against over-interpretation of results owing to the limitations of some of the projections and models used.".

- the actual IPCC report statement concerning Africa reads, "In other countries, additional risks that could be exacerbated by climate change include greater erosion, deficiencies in yields from rain-fed agriculture of up to 50% during the 2000-2020 period, and reductions in crop growth period (Agoumi, 2003)."

- that Agoumi 2003 reference associates to this report, "Vulnerability of North African Countries to Climatic Changes Adaptation and Implementation Strategies for Climate Change". Of the 3 agencies associated with this report, the one being given prominence over the others, is the Canadian IISD (set up by the Canadian government in the 90's... Mulroney if you ask)... the Canadian IISD (International Institute for Sustainable Development) website states, "IISD’s vision is better living for all—sustainably; its mission is to champion innovation, enabling societies to live sustainably. IISD receives operating grant support from the Government of Canada, provided through the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) and Environment Canada, and from the Province of Manitoba. The institute receives project funding from the Government of Canada, the Province of Manitoba, other national governments, United Nations agencies, foundations and the private sector. IISD is registered as a charitable organization in Canada and has 501©(3) status in the United States."

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yabut... more of the same from the 'social science' WG2 report - same comment as before, other than the manufactured doubt and uncertainty, what's the actual impact of these little ditty's?

I'm beginning to read cautious concerns on various skeptic/denier blogs... actual concern that there may end up being a clear restructuring that allows the WG1 actual science (the scientific community/climatologists) to more formally define itself separate from the relative infancy and less robust practices of the WG2 social science community... and, of course, the policy extensions. This certainly won't fit the current model that allows skeptic/deniers an indirect path to presume to cast doubt and uncertainty on the actual science. Yes, there is real concern in the denialsphere that they may actually be "killing the golden goose path" of manufactured doubt/uncertainty.

The Golden Goose? I can see how climate science has been a golden goose for the scientists pulling in truckloads of money to issue horrified pseudo-science proclomations of impending disaster, how it's been a big profit motive for the Chairman of the IPCC, how insiders are pulling in vast fortunes on the carbon emmisions trading schemes the Europeans have set up, but just where do you imaging bloggers and skeptics are making any money out of their opposition?

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The Golden Goose? I can see how climate science has been a golden goose for the scientists pulling in truckloads of money to issue horrified pseudo-science proclomations of impending disaster, how it's been a big profit motive for the Chairman of the IPCC, how insiders are pulling in vast fortunes on the carbon emmisions trading schemes the Europeans have set up, but just where do you imaging bloggers and skeptics are making any money out of their opposition?

golden goose... in terms of... the pathway to disinformation, to the purposeful indirect casting of doubt and uncertainty upon the actual science (the physical science - the WG1 within the IPCC reports), via direct attacks upon the social science (the WG2 within the IPCC reports)

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No. But nice try.....

Why not? We'll never stop scientists and policy makers from committing fraud on the basis of cooked books unless we crack down on it.

Ah but there's the rub, we start shining a light on the lack of data integrity in one science and it probably won't be long until people start thinking about other sciences that might be leading us down the garden path.

So by all means please keep up the good work at undermining public faith in our institutions. Nothing will shake them up faster.

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The Golden Goose? I can see how climate science has been a golden goose for the scientists pulling in truckloads of money to issue horrified pseudo-science proclomations of impending disaster, how it's been a big profit motive for the Chairman of the IPCC, how insiders are pulling in vast fortunes on the carbon emmisions trading schemes the Europeans have set up, but just where do you imaging bloggers and skeptics are making any money out of their opposition?

first of all, right-wing think tanks which are directly invovled in the denial phenomenon, are frequently funded by such unbiased and disinterested Public Service entities such as oil companies.

But it's rather beside the point anyway. The Commissars make it their intellectual mission to support and defend the richest and most powerful people around. That's what they do. It's their primary ideological project.

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golden goose... in terms of... the pathway to disinformation, to the purposeful indirect casting of doubt and uncertainty upon the actual science (the physical science - the WG1 within the IPCC reports), via direct attacks upon the social science (the WG2 within the IPCC reports)

Sputter on. At least these people don't have money tied up in the thing the way the IPCC chairman and so many of his kindred do. As you've already inferred re Exxon, people are more than willing to fudge science where profits are concerned.

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Just thought I'd throw another log onto the fire:

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/iZeusi+summoned+to+help+break+archipelago+ice/1135252749787

" The Baltic Sea is now under thicker ice than the average in the past ten years. The seven icebreakers of Arctia Shipping are opening sea lanes night and day, but it isn’t enough.

There is so much ice that many freighters have had to wait for days in some cases to get the help of an icebreaker. The state has commissioned the help of the privately-owned Zeus. "

Don't see what all the fuss is about. We have been reliably informed that the recovering ice is actually just "poor quality ice" and not any indication of a recovery side of any natural cycle. Those freighters should stop whining and just sit tight. All that ice should be gone very quickly and they won't be bothered anymore.

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